Murray Fish Posted October 18, 2024 Share Posted October 18, 2024 1 hour ago, curious said: So, does this mean I can have $50 on I Wish I Win @ $6.50 and get my money back regardless of where he finishes? tick taken to the max in All account$ a couple of juicy races to follow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted October 18, 2024 Author Share Posted October 18, 2024 11 hours ago, Dark Beau said: I don't think that they have offered me that. I must be a successful punter like that blowhard BarryB on the tiny channel in the middle. I think its available to all punters, it certainly should be available to me considering how my punting has been going. Can't see it getting beat , there is it my tip . Love to see a battlers horse from NZ in this race supported by Entain, as it is they just have to go with the horse has battled to be there angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Beau Posted October 18, 2024 Share Posted October 18, 2024 2 hours ago, Huey said: I think its available to all punters, it certainly should be available to me considering how my punting has been going. Can't see it getting beat , there is it my tip . Love to see a battlers horse from NZ in this race supported by Entain, as it is they just have to go with the horse has battled to be there angle. Thanks Huey, I found it on the app, so I am on too. If it wins their liability will be phenomenal and if it looses it will take them a long time to get their money back. The only way that I can see this promotion working for them is if the fixed odds money is somehow commingled with their Aust lot, but I don't know if that is possible. For the record I looked up the Tabcorp site in Australia to see what I Wish I Win was paying there and found that they have him at $5.50 so in addition we are in fact getting a bonus price as well. I guess the tote will tell us the "correct" price at the jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted October 18, 2024 Share Posted October 18, 2024 19 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: What do you find so exciting about the NZ Kiwi? lol, didn't realise I was... Big on Everest! re NZK, after watching the big event where they delivered the Indigenous background to the trophy, waxing lyrical about its deep merits... wow! So many in that room have been big funders of the current lot in parliaments! along with their anti team brown policies.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 19, 2024 Share Posted October 19, 2024 27 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: lol, didn't realise I was... Big on Everest! re NZK, after watching the big event where they delivered the Indigenous background to the trophy, waxing lyrical about its deep merits... wow! So many in that room have been big funders of the current lot in parliaments! along with their anti team brown policies.. I think you are drawing some long bows there. Obviously throwing cash at a specific group hasn't changed the negative statistics from that group. Now isn't there a corollary with the extra stakes being thrown at selected top end races? Will it improve the negative statistics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted October 19, 2024 Share Posted October 19, 2024 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I think you are drawing some long bows there not at all... fact. 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Obviously throwing cash at a specific group hasn't changed the negative statistics from that group. Perhaps they would be even far worse without that 'help'. Another fact CS, when racing was at is 'best' the NZ Working Class had way more disposable $ that today.. 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Now isn't there a corollary with the extra stakes being thrown at selected top end races? Will it improve the negative statistics? Sigh, depends what stats you want to improve? Propaganda so rules now! who really knows! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 19, 2024 Share Posted October 19, 2024 2 hours ago, Murray Fish said: not at all... fact. It's not fact it's your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 19, 2024 Share Posted October 19, 2024 2 hours ago, Murray Fish said: Perhaps they would be even far worse without that 'help'. Really? So are you suggesting MORE money should be thrown at the problem? Bit like racing. Throwing money at stakes hasn't fixed the fundamental problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted October 19, 2024 Share Posted October 19, 2024 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: It's not fact it's your opinion. are a betting man? fact, a record amount of money was donate to the 3 parties on the right, record amounts for both 22 and 23... all the big donations are on public record! Many have connections to 'racing industry'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted October 19, 2024 Share Posted October 19, 2024 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Really? So are you suggesting MORE money should be thrown at the problem? Bit like racing. Throwing money at stakes hasn't fixed the fundamental problems. with respect, no comment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 19, 2024 Share Posted October 19, 2024 2 hours ago, Murray Fish said: fact, a record amount of money was donate to the 3 parties on the right, record amounts for both 22 and 23... all the big donations are on public record! Many have connections to 'racing industry'... That may be fact but you draw a long bow when you connect those donations with what you call "anti-brown policies". The latter is just your interpretation and opinion NOT fact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted October 20, 2024 Share Posted October 20, 2024 16 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: That may be fact but you draw a long bow when you connect those donations with what you call "anti-brown policies". The latter is just your interpretation and opinion NOT fact. First off, I don't know the personal/political views of various people that appeared in the launch video! What I do know, published facts, of who all the Large donators were for NZ pollical parties, many prominent racing people gave generously, as is there right! The three parties which got the $$$ have through their shared leadership, they have directly attacked (so called privileged) team brown! Do Tainui have any decent land left for them to get into breeding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 20, 2024 Share Posted October 20, 2024 6 hours ago, Murray Fish said: The three parties which got the $$$ have through their shared leadership, they have directly attacked (so called privileged) team brown! How? 6 hours ago, Murray Fish said: Do Tainui have any decent land left for them to get into breeding? They have a over $1 billion in real estate assets however seem to be more intent on developing and owning or partnering in Hotels e.g. the Pullman at Auckland Airport, various Novotel hotels. Plus they own large hunks of key land and infrastructure all over the Waikato and the Bay of Plenty. Just check out Tainui Group Holdings Ltd. Again isn't there a corollary between the asset owners in the racing industry and the asset owners in Tainui? The battlers further down the chain may not be receiving much of the trickle down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 Is this the 4th or 5th Wexford trained galloper in the race, who also hold a slot for the race? https://loveracing.nz/News/48148/WaikatoThoroughbredRacingsecureSethitoforNZBKiwi.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 hours ago, Huey said: Is this the 4th or 5th Wexford trained galloper in the race, who also hold a slot for the race? https://loveracing.nz/News/48148/WaikatoThoroughbredRacingsecureSethitoforNZBKiwi.aspx Why ask the question when you know the answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 12 hours ago, Huey said: Is this the 4th or 5th Wexford trained galloper in the race, who also hold a slot for the race? https://loveracing.nz/News/48148/WaikatoThoroughbredRacingsecureSethitoforNZBKiwi.aspx Not sure where you get 4 or 5 Wexford reps from that article, unless you are privvy to more up-to-date information. I can count 3 so far. It's a big effort anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 Help me out , is this how a normal slot race works ? A slot holder trains other slots holders horses for the race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 3 minutes ago, Huey said: Help me out , is this how a normal slot race works ? A slot holder trains other slots holders horses for the race? Yes. A Slot holder is not always a Trainer so will be looking to find the best chance to get a return on their investment. A stable might have more than one horse that is competitive given the conditions of the race. A win/win for a stable as it gives them more than one chance of making money from the sweepstake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted yesterday at 07:30 PM Author Share Posted yesterday at 07:30 PM This field could be assembled for $1-200k , are we supposed to be just getting excited about the prizemoney? https://thekiwirace.nz/slot-holders 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 08:24 PM Share Posted yesterday at 08:24 PM 53 minutes ago, Huey said: This field could be assembled for $1-200k , are we supposed to be just getting excited about the prizemoney? https://thekiwirace.nz/slot-holders Still six to find and the 8 they have are very good ponies. Although I think the CJC went too early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted 23 hours ago Author Share Posted 23 hours ago 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Still six to find and the 8 they have are very good ponies. Although I think the CJC went too early. But you could still put a field like this together for 5% of the prize money they are racing for , so what's the point ? It ain't The Everest field, probably never be with 3yos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago 41 minutes ago, Huey said: But you could still put a field like this together for 5% of the prize money they are racing for , so what's the point ? It ain't The Everest field, probably never be with 3yos. 5% of what? 5% of the Entain contribution or 5% of what the slot holders have coughed up? At the end of the day isn't most of the stake money sweepstake money put up by slotholders. Surely they can run their own raffles? Whether the concept is a winner and is long term sustainable - who knows. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: 5% of what? 5% of the Entain contribution or 5% of what the slot holders have coughed up? At the end of the day isn't most of the stake money sweepstake money put up by slotholders. Surely they can run their own raffles? Whether the concept is a winner and is long term sustainable - who knows. Agree. It's sustainable if owners want to continue to cough up sweepstakes. Not sure I like the idea of industry funding being used in any way but then Entain can do what they like with their money too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago The plus is at least something is being tried. Unless the ideas evolve very little will be sustainable. Everything looks great at the pointy end. Book 2 at Karaka tells a different story. I hope someone bought a champion at a bargain price there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 3 hours ago, Special Agent said: The plus is at least something is being tried. Unless the ideas evolve very little will be sustainable. Everything looks great at the pointy end. Book 2 at Karaka tells a different story. I hope someone bought a champion at a bargain price there. It amuses me how many in the industry talk doom and gloom about Book 2 EVERY year. "Bloodbath", "absolute carnage", "poor breeders not covering costs" and so on and so on. I've been hearing those comments from the days of the Book 3 Festival Sale. Although I always thought callong it a Festival was a misnomer. The fact is this years Book 2 statistics are no different than the average for the last 5 years. Sure costs have increased with inflation therefore in real terms returns are down but this year isn't any different to many before it. The difference this year is that the average is down and the clearance rate is up. Those metricd were influenced by Wesrburys decision to put their lots on the market with no reserve. Every year there are excellent bargains in Book 2 for those who are good judges and have an eye. Chris Rutten and Paul Moroney spring to mind. Sure some went very cheaply but most of them went to good stables. Generally horses sell cheaply because of being by an unfashionable stallion, a poor pedigree or having conformation faults. If you don't produce what the market wants then don't expect the market to buy it. Look on the bright side 742 yearlings sold for $86m at a 79% clearance rate. Deals are still being done. Given the state of the economy there is still hope for the naysayers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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