All The Aces Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 I notice your topic re Caulfield track bias but no mention of the bias at Taupo last Friday where from 10 races 8 leaders won. Dummy Myer's runners won the other two, one over 2600m and the other Kopua over 1400m coming from back in the field but with an inside run on the better ground. If my information is correct a number of horses were allowed to gallop on the course proper the day prior with one trainer having well over 10 galloing there and other trainers also having horses gallop. (I assume that they couldn't gallop on the rail.) One trainer who was there and noticed how chopped up the track was after the gallops scratched his runners for the Friday. There certainly was an inside rail leader bias on what must have been better ground. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 1 minute ago, All The Aces said: There certainly was an inside rail leader bias on what must have been better ground. Really? Not a tempo issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted October 13 Author Share Posted October 13 20 minutes ago, curious said: Really? Not a tempo issue? Not a tempo issue. Really? 8 from 10 with only one winner coming from the back with an inside run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted October 13 Author Share Posted October 13 Track was a Heavy 8, Compare to the previous meeting on 20 September on a Soft 7 where only 1 leader won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 3 minutes ago, All The Aces said: Track was a Heavy 8, Compare to the previous meeting on 20 September on a Soft 7 where only 1 leader won. I suppose you have to draw your own conclusions from the sectionals but the fastest first 400 didn't win a single race. Did you have a bad day on the punt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 I take that back. Didn't win every race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 25 minutes ago, All The Aces said: Not a tempo issue. Really? 8 from 10 with only one winner coming from the back with an inside run. This statistic is pointless unless you analyse the sectionals and other variables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted October 13 Author Share Posted October 13 13 minutes ago, curious said: I take that back. Didn't win every race The fastest first 400m won six of the 8. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 1 hour ago, All The Aces said: If my information is correct a number of horses were allowed to gallop on the course proper the day prior with one trainer having well over 10 galloing there and other trainers also having horses gallop. (I assume that they couldn't gallop on the rail.) One trainer who was there and noticed how chopped up the track was after the gallops scratched his runners for the Friday. Are you suggesting that they shouldn't have galloped on the track one day prior? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Are you suggesting that they shouldn't have galloped on the track one day prior? They are supposed to organise gallops on the track 48 hours prior and on race morning and they should be on the rail, on the racing surface. That's standard/required practice. Edited October 13 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 23 minutes ago, curious said: They are supposed to organise gallops on the track 48 hours prior and on race morning and they should be on the rail, on the racing surface. That's standard/required practice. Yes but not 20 surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted October 14 Author Share Posted October 14 26 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Are you suggesting that they shouldn't have galloped on the track one day prior? Normal practice is to gallop one or two only. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 17 minutes ago, All The Aces said: Normal practice is to gallop one or two only. It isn't "normal practice". It is a requirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted October 14 Author Share Posted October 14 31 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Yes but not 20 surely. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: 1 hour ago, All The Aces said: Normal practice is to gallop one or two only. It isn't "normal practice". It is a requirement. hence: still sending someone around on a track to 'prove' that it is unsafe... sigh, a pet hate of mine is "best practice"!!! perhaps as in 'watering the track to *make it* X rating...' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 5 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: hence: still sending someone around on a track to 'prove' that it is unsafe... sigh, a pet hate of mine is "best practice"!!! perhaps as in 'watering the track to *make it* X rating...' How else do you test it? As for the track ratings I no longer have any confidence that what I read is the track rating is in fact the track rating. About time they starting doing what they do at the Metro tracks in Victoria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said: How else do you test it? As for the track ratings I no longer have any confidence that what I read is the track rating is in fact the track rating. About time they starting doing what they do at the Metro tracks in Victoria. Which is what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 12 minutes ago, curious said: Which is what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: hence: still sending someone around on a track to 'prove' that it is unsafe... 22 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: How else do you test it? (best practice, suggests) Keep sending them around, Until... The last meeting at Wingatui that was called off after R5, the rail was out max, each race they went that bit wider, I think it was mentioned they were out 9 wide where the slip happened, next minute.. If the rider had not gone that wide when they did, everything might have continued. sigh, I bet they continue watering... Edited October 14 by Murray Fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 11 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: sigh, I bet they continue watering... So are you suggesting not to ever water a track? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So are you suggesting not to ever water a track? lol, we have a large veggie garden, our style, permaculture, we have very different water uses for the 20 odd plots, our front, north facing is starting to 'kick on',... even after the 150mm rain the other day! Back, still heavy 10 Each Track has its own history, its own problems, its own challenges.. each with their own Economics to try and deal with. Its own intellectual capital re local knowledge for each track, though I'm sure that is now at a historical low for some many parts of 'the industry'. Dear I also say it, each Club has their own way of dealing with it! (pretending that part of the track is Ok, when not!) that be another story! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 15 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: lol, we have a large veggie garden, our style, permaculture, we have very different water uses for the 20 odd plots, our front, north facing is starting to 'kick on',... even after the 150mm rain the other day! Back, still heavy 10 Each Track has its own history, its own problems, its own challenges.. each with their own Economics to try and deal with. Its own intellectual capital re local knowledge for each track, though I'm sure that is now at a historical low for some many parts of 'the industry'. Dear I also say it, each Club has their own way of dealing with it! (pretending that part of the track is Ok, when not!) that be another story! Sorry I don't understand what your recommendation is? Water or not to water? I gather you collect rainwater to apply to your permaculture plots when required? You also must keep the soil structure healthy by the addition of organic matter. A bit like what modern farmers do when rejuventating their paddocks every four years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 Modern farmers? That's what we did 5 or 6 decades ago. The racecourse too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 54 minutes ago, curious said: Modern farmers? That's what we did 5 or 6 decades ago. The racecourse too I was being slightly facetious (if one can be slightly). I do recall being challenged on BOAY that old farmers didn't do what I suggested. They probably did but not at the regular intervals they do now and instead waited until there were signs of soil failure. I've been thinking about the optimal width a racing track that would enable a type of crop rotation. Surely at Riccarton you could split the track in half, rejuvenate one half (and race on the other) by applying organic matter and a crop like mustard or even lucerne then sow pasture after ploughing in and leveling. Then do the same to the other half. I realise that sounds hairbrained but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 Time-wise, maybe growing and plowing in a wheat crop say, isn't practical but ... what do they do when they renovate the Ozzie tracks? With modern aeration equipment it maybe doesn't need to happen so often either, but something still does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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