Brodie Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 (edited) As you will be well aware Brodie is not a fan of the short distance racing that is anything shorter than 1980metres, they just should not have them! Now Auckland tonight had a final and it was programmed as 1700 metres, HRNZ had it as 1700m and the TAb had it 1700 and that is what the punters were betting into! However the starter at Auckland was given a race book that said 1609 metres and thats what they raced over! So the race will need to be a non race and every bet refunded to punters! To be fair, the best result for ATC is to not run these terrible short distance races as they are awful betting propositions and normally there is horses that gallop just as they did tonight due to the starting position What a mess and you gave to feel fir the winning connections! Edited October 18 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 17 minutes ago, Brodie said: As you will be well aware Brodie is not a fan of the short distance racing that is anything shorter than 1980metres, they just should not have them! Now Auckland tonight had a final and it was programmed as 1700 metres, HRNZ had it as 1700m and the TAb had it 1700 and that is what the punters were betting into! However the starter at Auckland was given a race book that said 1609 metres and thats what they raced over! So the race will need to be a non race and every bet refunded to punters! To be fair, the best result for ATC is to not run these terrible short distance races as they are awful betting propositions and normally there is horses that gallop just as they did tonight due to the starting position What a mess and you gave to feel fir the winning connections! a mistake for sure,but i think in reality if you were a punter you would be being unrealistic if you thought the small difference in starting distance should have meant they didn't confirm the result. In my opinion,the common sense decision was made when they confirmedit. No big deal in the whole scheme of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted October 18 Author Share Posted October 18 11 minutes ago, the galah said: a mistake for sure,but i think in reality if you were a punter you would be being unrealistic if you thought the small difference in starting distance should have meant they didn't confirm the result. In my opinion,the common sense decision was made when they confirmedit. No big deal in the whole scheme of things. Interesting that they confirmed it? I dont bet very often at Auckland nowadays, in fact very rarely! Personally think that punters shouldve been refunded as they were betting into a race that was meant to be 1700m and therefore the race was misrepresented. the 1609m start is too close to the bend where at least the 1700m gives a longer run in! Anyway nothing surprises me up in the North Island racing, there are many instances of puzzling decisions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted October 22 Author Share Posted October 22 Was interesting that Michael Guerin on The Box Seat tonight, stated that his opinion was that the losing punters shouldve had their bets refunded! Totally agree With him! The Punters were led to believe that they were betting into a 1700 metre race, and yet that is not what occurred. There have been other occasions where there have been errors by the TAB and certain punters have been treated very poorly by the TAB! They are a law unto themselves and the punter is the loser! I note that Auckland this Friday are running these 1609 metre races and have stake money of just over 200k. The fields are very even and will be very interesting to see if they can actually turn a profit for a change L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatchcock Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 (edited) It's the very least that should have happened. Punters were rorted. If you back a horse in a race believing it has twice the distance it actually gets to position itself before the first bend then you have been ripped off. Edited October 22 by Spatchcock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 (edited) 5 hours ago, Spatchcock said: It's the very least that should have happened. Punters were rorted. If you back a horse in a race believing it has twice the distance it actually gets to position itself before the first bend then you have been ripped off. They used the same discretion when it came to that horse that started from the wrong position at cambridge a couple of years ago. Then every week you see many standing starts ,especially in auckland where horses on the u/r start between 20-50m behind where they could.Thats examples of horses starting from starting points which they should not be at. just last sunday at invercargill in their big race,most of the u/r horses off the front were behind all the horses off handicaps at the start. did the box seat mention that? the point being ,where do you start and where do you stop. all i think is,whoever is commenting and whoever is deciding these things,at least be consistent in what you are saying and ruling.If that happens then i would be happy either way. Edited October 23 by the galah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 1 hour ago, the galah said: the point being ,where do you start and where do you stop. all i think is,whoever is commenting and whoever is deciding these things,at least be consistent in what you are saying and ruling.If that happens then i would be happy either way. Well the Official Starter is the Boss. Drivers are fined if they don't follow his instructions. Drivers will be trying things that are 'Best for their horse' otherwise , whether it in-conveniences rivals or not. sometimes that the whole idea even. From the mobile drivers often get fined in Australia if 'Out Of Position ' at the starting point. Which means wasn't on the gate. Some try to hang back now and then. To get cover and running lane position as quickly as possible after the start. They tend to have them at 3/4 pace as they reach dispatch now , rather than flat out like they did on occasion. NZ has a lot of stands with drivers doing their thing. The start of the fast class was Interesting the other night . the winner Tact McLeod away well and working 3 wide to get on the pace, and when they settled there was like 20 lengths first to last because of the Horrendiously over sized field. 15 just too many. they're way too far back to be any chance. They only came home in 57 seconds (slow half really for fast class) and yet some of the back markers in the running were finishing 10 lengths from Tact McLeod at the line. Perhaps stands should be banned ? and have all mobile. give em' All a chance to Win ? The start of the Ashburton Flying Stakes will be like that too. Be more like the Ashburton 'Fly To Bits' Stakes 😆. should run it as a mobile and starter will have No worries then. ??? I reckon Mach Shard (with no hopples ) and Beach Ball are some sort of chance of blowing the start drawn 1 and 2 and interfering with the second row and ruining the race next Monday. Wait and see Monday. Both of those should of been drawn unruly IMO. The poor starter bloke will have to be on his game 😁 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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