Murray Fish Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 a long read on Spurs in Au " Banned in the UK, France, Ireland and the USA, spurs are still commonplace in Australian racing, raising questions about both welfare and perception. Exploring the issue, we spoke to two industry insiders at the top of their games, and draw on evidence from the wider equine world too. There are two rules governing the use of spurs according to Racing Australia: - AR 125 Riders permitted to use blunt and approved spurs Riders may use spurs provided they are blunt and of a type approved by Racing Australia, a PRA, or the Stewards. - AR 134 Excessive, unnecessary or improper use of spurs In a race, official trial, jump-out or trackwork, or elsewhere, a rider must not use his or her spurs in an excessive, unnecessary or improper manner. The Thoroughbred Report reached out to each of Australia’s PRAs to ask about their view of the rules, whether the issue of perception over spurs has been raised within their state and the history of enforcement of the rules. Sadly just two responded. A Racing Victoria spokesperson said: “Riders in Victoria are required to adhere to the Australian Rules of Racing that govern the use of spurs. If a rider uses his or her spurs in an excessive, unnecessary or improper manner this will be considered by Stewards. “We have had no recent breaches of AR134 in which action has been taken in Victoria.” “We have had no recent breaches of AR134 in which action has been taken in Victoria.” - Racing Victoria spokesperson Meanwhile, Thoroughbred Racing Northern Territory (TRNT) Chairman of Stewards David Hensler explained: “TRNT Stewards enforce the Rules of Racing pertaining to the use of spurs. We regularly check spurs on race days, at barrier trials and in track work. In the last 10 years we have had no rider breach either AR125 or AR134.” The inside line Even for those experienced in the breeding side of the industry, the choice to use spurs may still be a mystery - is it a jockey's preference or a trainer’s instruction? Do they make much of a difference? We spoke to one of Sydney’s leading jockeys, Tommy Berry, to get an idea of exactly what goes on behind the scenes. “Sometimes it can be up to either,” Berry said. “I know if I've watched a replay of a horse and he looks quite laid back, he misses the start, just needs a little bit of a wake up before he goes into the barriers, I'll put spurs on.” Tomy Berry | Image courtesy of Sportpix “I'm not someone that ‘kicks’ in a race, so if I wear spurs in a race it's really not going to affect the horse at all because I can't use them. “Myself, James McDonald and a lot of other jockeys are in the same boat - the only time I can really use spurs is to just give them a little bit of a wake up to make sure they're switched on before they go into barriers.” “Myself, James McDonald and a lot of other jockeys are in the same boat (not riding in a style that ‘kicks’ in a race) - the only time I can really use spurs is to just give them a little bit of a wake up to make sure they're switched on before they go into barriers.” - Tommy Berry “Otherwise, they're pretty much pointless for us. Whereas someone like Nash Rawiller, Brenton Avdulla or Regan Bayliss, they wear spurs quite often because they can kick quite well.” Berry described the tradeoff between jockeys that ride shorter and those that ride longer. In his assessment, whilst three-quarters of jockeys, the likes of he and McDonald included, utilise their balance to be more effective in a finish, others encourage their mounts with a kicking motion. There’s no clear answer here as a number of elite jockeys fall into each camp, with Berry concluding that different styles suit different horses. Just how much the spurs are used during this kicking motion in a race finish is hard to discern. Given a jockey’s crouched position, it’s hard to see how a jockey could point their feet outwards to bring the spurs into contact with the horse. And, if they did make contact during vigorous race finishes, surely we would see at least the occasional marking or rubbing of a horse’s flanks, causing an infraction of the rules. Noting that he’s never once called before the stewards for any spurs-related infractions, Berry added: “It's not something that you overuse - I've never ever done it to hurt a horse. You don't turn your heels out and give them a big kick up the ribs, it's just running it along their skin a little bit. “It's (Spurs) not something that you overuse - I've never ever done it to hurt a horse. You don't turn your heels out and give them a big kick up the ribs...” - Tommy Berry “I think it's important to state as well, that breakers often use spurs to help guide the horse along. So, when you get to a race it’s often not the first time they’ve been introduced to spurs.” Laying the foundation A former elite event rider, Blair Richardson runs Vantage Hill, a race educating and pre-training establishment utilised by many of Australia’s top trainers. Speaking to TTR AusNZ, he described spurs in the context of his work as ‘controversial’ in the sense that he’s highly selective about using them so early on in a horse’s education. “We break in probably 250 to 280 horses a year,” Richardson said. “Probably most of them we don’t put spurs on to start with. “Obviously, we want to teach them to be light off the leg and educate them. The need to go forward off your leg is the main thing in educating a horse.” “Obviously, we want to teach them to be light off the leg and educate them. The need to go forward off your leg is the main thing in educating a horse.” - Blair Richardson “Whether you're riding a racehorse, a cutting horse, a jumping horse, a dressage horse - they all must be ridden off your leg, that's the main thing.” As Richardson explained, the use of spurs during the initial stages of a thoroughbred’s life is purely about education - an extra tool to teach them something fundamental - as opposed to an aid to get the most out of them on race day. “There's some that won’t go past a gap or are a bit negative, then we put a set of spurs on and it's all to do with the rider's leg to hand coordination,” he said. Blair Richardson | Image courtesy of Vantage Hill “You’ve got to be careful too, there's a lot of fillies that can be backward and a set of spurs can have a reverse effect, so it’s tricky. “If you have a horse that won't go, you're often better off to pony it along, look after it to get it to go, rather than using force and an artificial aid. “When you're dealing with 18 month old horses, it's not about force, it's got to be an educational process.” The evidence As in the first piece in this series, we consulted leading equine scientist Dr David Marlin to find out what the science says. Click here to read Focus on welfare: a common sense approach to racing in hot weather Marlin confirmed that there has been little research on the use of spurs, with a particular paucity around their use in racing. One study of Danish competition horses points to a picture of spurs being more likely to cause damage (hair loss and in rare cases bleeding) to horses at lower competition levels, whilst another from the UK found that FEI affiliated riders were 10 times more likely to use spurs than leisure riders, but that was still only 60 per cent of them. It’s hard to be confident, but perhaps this suggests, as Richardson inferred, that the choice to use spurs is not as simple as ‘fine for the professionals’. Regardless, Marlin pointed out an even more salient point, that may in time change the debate in Australia. Dr David Marlin | Image courtesy of Dr David Marlin He noted that thermal imaging was behind the drive to change whip design towards the modern iteration, and that if the as-yet-unstudied impact of spurs in racing was similarly visible then it could have a big impact on the welfare debate. A price worth paying? The question remains: Would Australian racing be missing out much if spurs were banned tomorrow, given it’s the only racing nation to allow them? “I think it would definitely affect Australian racing in some way and that's because they’ve been around for so long and are obviously working in some way,” Berry said. “For myself, if a horse isn't jumping out of the barriers properly and they're a bit laid back then it does definitely help to give them a bit of a wake up before they leave the gates, just so they know it's game on. “For myself, if a horse isn't jumping out of the barriers properly and they're a bit laid-back then it does definitely help to give them a bit of a wake up before they leave the gates, just so they know it's game on.” - Tommy Berry “It's not about hurting them or anything like that, because it doesn't. It's just a little bit of a tickle to wake them up and say, ‘You're about to go, put your game face on.’ “I find it good as a tool for that, if I know a horse has come out a little bit slow on the pace.” But, this must surely be balanced against the perception issue that spurs present us with. Whilst their use is little discussed within the industry, and they often pass punters unnoticed on race day, spurs offer a target for animal rights activists, who attempt to frame the metal fixtures on jockey’s heels as a regular weapon of torture against our beloved thoroughbreds. This view might sound blatantly preposterous to those inside the camp, but it’s easy to see how such framing can be effective to those who don’t know how they’re actually used. Given that racing elsewhere around the world doesn’t seem to suffer for a lack of spurs, we have to ask whether it’s a price worth paying. We want your opinion! Do you think we should continue to allow spurs at the races? 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Chief Stipe Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 How about an additional rule: If the Trainer of a horse so declares that the Jockey engaged to ride their horse is not required to carry a whip the Jockey must adhere to the Trainers wishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 how they voted on that spurs article Do you think we should continue to allow spurs at the races? Yes 171 votes No 84 votes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: How about an additional rule: If the Trainer of a horse so declares that the Jockey engaged to ride their horse is not required to carry a whip the Jockey must adhere to the Trainers wishes. Don't think they must carry one now must they? So, if connections offer the ride on the basis they not carry one, no need for a new rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 2 hours ago, Murray Fish said: but can in Au? " In Australia, riders can use spurs in racing and other events if they meet certain conditions, including: Using blunt spurs that are approved by Racing Australia, a PRA, or the Stewards Not using spurs in an excessive, unnecessary, or improper manner " Only place in the world I think. We are probably second to only them on animal welfare matters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: This crap: So is that not true then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 You have the opportunity to lodge a submission. Don't moan about any adopted or adapted rules if you haven't done so. Also, don't be disappointed if no notice is taken of your suggestions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultra Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 Disqualification is/has always been available to RIB for any egregious breach of a rule. The advantage of the whip is impossible define, varying between horses and riders. And DQ for miscounting/timing is nonsense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 2 hours ago, Ultra said: Disqualification is/has always been available to RIB for any egregious breach of a rule. How and where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 2 hours ago, Ultra said: And DQ for miscounting/timing is nonsense You do know that Ignorance is not a defence in a Law Court, why should it be in Racing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, Murray Fish said: You do know that Ignorance is not a defence in a Law Court, why should it be in Racing? And why is it not in Britain, the UK, France, Germany, Nth America, etc.? If jockeys can't count up to 10, they should be sent back to school before they get their licence renewed. Australasia are so out of line with international best practice, it's a joke, and a great shame on our industry for both welfare and integrity. Disgusting stuff. Edited November 22 by curious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 11 hours ago, curious said: How and where? WHIP RULE BREACHES There is limited scope or discretion for an Adjudicative Committee to depart from the Penalty Guide when imposing a penalty for a breach of the whip rules. Any departure would need to be carefully evaluated on the basis of exceptional circumstances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 Might have been interesting to ask her what it was like riding in Norway where use of the whip is essentially banned. She clearly coped with that successfully. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 48 minutes ago, curious said: Might have been interesting to ask her what it was like riding in Norway where use of the whip is essentially banned. She clearly coped with that successfully. Norway as in the country that has one racecourse venue. The highest class race being a Grp 3. On the turf or dirt they race 28 times a year? Where they have "essentially" banned the whip? Except when the horse is hanging badly or running out. No wonder she left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 23 Author Share Posted November 23 On 22/11/2024 at 3:36 PM, Ultra said: Disqualification is/has always been available to RIB for any egregious breach of a rule. The advantage of the whip is impossible define, varying between horses and riders. And DQ for miscounting/timing is nonsense That's just not true The RIB have publicly stated "there's NO NZ rule that allows a relegation for whip violations" Ring John Oatham if you're not a believer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Norway as in the country that has one racecourse venue. The highest class race being a Grp 3. On the turf or dirt they race 28 times a year? Where they have "essentially" banned the whip? Except when the horse is hanging badly or running out. No wonder she left. Explain how this is fake news @Thomass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 24 Author Share Posted November 24 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Explain how this is fake news @Thomass? It's got nothing to do with why she left She won the Marit Sveaas this year and below is the race last year Enjoy the whipless race where a 'bustling' Billy Skelton would've excelled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 1 hour ago, Thomass said: It's got nothing to do with why she left She won the Marit Sveaas this year and below is the race last year Enjoy the whipless race where a 'bustling' Billy Skelton would've excelled Did she have spurs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 From the jumps review report. They are getting it but need to do something about it. "Even those who supported the continuation of jumps identified a concern about use of the whip during the races, especially at the end of the races after the last jump 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 So, if it's good enough for jumps racing? Recommendations: Consider modifying the whip rule, especially for the final 100 meters, to align more closely with flat racing standards 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 One strike on the neck - immediate suspension from all racing activities. We are so archaic with our rules here. https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/281476/hisa-provisionally-suspends-lopez-for-postrace-strike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra Dollars Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 On 11/21/2024 at 10:38 AM, Thomass said: Pretty clear NZTR's idea of "excessive" doesn't tally with international norms though Here jockeys can slip in @ 13 to 14 strikes when following the 5 before 100M and non consecutive after that France 4 and Brits 6 Then this rubbish "appropriately" updated is finger in the air stuff and ignores DQ's As for "data loggers and accelerometers" pfft, what happened to that tech? NZTR will: Ensure that the general provisions and specific guidelines of the whip rule are appropriately updated and can be consistently interpreted and enforced Ensure continued guidance and training, particularly for apprentices, on ‘hands and heels’ riding skills to minimise an over-reliance on whip use Investigate the availability and practical use of new technology such as whips with data loggers and accelerometers, to provide objective data on whip use during racing." So why are NZ Flat jockeys not allowed to ride with spurs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 9 Author Share Posted December 9 1 hour ago, Extra Dollars said: So why are NZ Flat jockeys not allowed to ride with spurs? Take a wild guess iron stain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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