Thomass Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 NSW...and about time... Not only does it give them unfair 'insider knowledge' to bet with...but they can also be used as conduits for Jockey's betting illegally Dont hold your breath about it here though...we still can't report change of tactics! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Might as well ban trainers, stable hands, owners. All can have inside information. Just ban punters - heaps have inside info. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Everyone ,inc jockeys, should be allowed to bet. As it is there are cover ups everywhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 16 minutes ago, Fred said: Everyone ,inc jockeys, should be allowed to bet. As it is there are cover ups everywhere. Let them all bet doesn't change the ability of the horse. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 if they ban a owner betting on there own horse ban every one from betting just a load of crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 It won't matter whether they ban them or not. It will still happen. Don't really care who has inside information as long as races are run fairly. The horse doesn't know. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Let them all bet doesn't change the ability of the horse. What a ridiculous statement... Its internationally accepted practice...Do you want NZ to become a pariah? Youll find Jockey Agents will become banned world wide now They have 'insider trading' knowledge...which is banned on the Sharemarket Obviously trainers should be the next in the list... A total ban on betting something other than their stable horse an ASAP red flashing light... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 There is no similarity between stock market trading and betting on horses as far as insider trading is concerned. What a total looney. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 OF course it is pillick IT is having access to non public information about a company If a Jockey Agent knows his Jock will be either riding to different instructions, missed work, injury recovery... ...or up North...a bi carb dose that the Feds aren't testing for wake up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Thomass said: OF course it is pillick IT is having access to non public information about a company If a Jockey Agent knows his Jock will be either riding to different instructions, missed work, injury recovery... ...or up North...a bi carb dose that the Feds aren't testing for wake up Societies approach to putting the mentally disabled in among the community is why we have to put up with imbeciles like Thomass. The idea is good, but the reality is they need supervision. 1400 odd posts and nearly all of them utter crap. You are once again proving you have no idea. This time about insider trading. Keep it up. What is the next thing you can show us that you are clueless about? Edited December 11, 2018 by mardigras 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Thomass said: IT is having access to non public information about a company And as a by the by. It is NOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk2_Zephyr Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Jockey managers are fudging parasites .... kill them all .... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 38 minutes ago, mardigras said: Societies approach to putting the mentally disabled in among the community is why we have to put up with imbeciles like Thomass. The idea is good, but the reality is they need supervision. 1400 odd posts and nearly all of them utter crap. You are once again proving you have no idea. This time about insider trading. Keep it up. What is the next thing you can show us that you are clueless about? You haven't a f in clue about ANYTHING Insider Trading absolutely is trading with non public information What f in school did you go to? dickhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kihikihi Kid Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 32 minutes ago, Mk2_Zephyr said: Jockey managers are fudging parasites .... kill them all .... Wow , great timing with the Grace thing going on , got access to the internet on remand have you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shivaree Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 What inside information do jockey's agents have that trainers don't? Do you want trainers banned as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Thomass said: IT is having access to non public information about a company Having access to - and using are not the same thing. Why can't you understand such simple things. Next you'll be claiming that people that work for a company shouldn't be allowed to buy shares in that company. You're a total fool. 7 hours ago, Thomass said: Insider Trading absolutely is trading with non public information I haven't said it isn't. But there is no ability for an owner or a jockey agent to 'trade' with non public information on horse racing unless you're suggesting the inside information is going to become public prior to the race being run in order for the holder of the information to gain on it via trading. It's going to be a fat lot of good having the inside information disclosed to the public after the race has run and the horse has lost. And even if you just take the race outcome as some form of 'trade', how are you going to assess what the person with the inside information gained from having the inside information? Even IF the horse won, how are you going to show the inside information was the reason the horse won, given the connections of all the losers equally had inside information, and their horse didn't win. You'll have no evidence to prove the value of the inside information since it wasn't disclosed to the public prior to the race to allow you to identify the value in that information. ie the difference between what the 'stock' was worth to the insider versus what it became worth once the information was known. A horse traded at $10 isn't a gain of $10 - since the gain can only be defined as the difference in the price, if the information was in the public domain. Maybe that was $9, maybe it was $12. Who knows. It'd be a guess and therefore will carry no weight.. The big issue with all this is that it is just another area of life where you know sfa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 And really....is the heading to this post really indicating anything that important on the scale of things? Yes, should have been activated years ago. But all this tells us is that the R.I.U and whoever makes policy are defunct. Is this the best they can do? Its bullshit Tommo. What I would call a smoke screen. What about the real issues, R.I.U raceday stewards turning a blind eye to serious raceday matters if they involve certain ' senior' riders...you know its true. Lazy, slothful behaviour by certain people who are supposed to oversee racetrack safety. The list goes on. don't be sidetracked by a few 'jockey managers' having a bet. If they are that bad at betting that they have to work at sad sack racetracks in NZ then they can't be that good anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, mardigras said: Having access to - and using are not the same thing. Why can't you understand such simple things. Next you'll be claiming that people that work for a company shouldn't be allowed to buy shares in that company. You're a total fool. I haven't said it isn't. But there is no ability for an owner or a jockey agent to 'trade' with non public information on horse racing unless you're suggesting the inside information is going to become public prior to the race being run in order for the holder of the information to gain on it via trading. It's going to be a fat lot of good having the inside information disclosed to the public after the race has run and the horse has lost. And even if you just take the race outcome as some form of 'trade', how are you going to assess what the person with the inside information gained from having the inside information? Even IF the horse won, how are you going to show the inside information was the reason the horse won, given the connections of all the losers equally had inside information, and their horse didn't win. You'll have no evidence to prove the value of the inside information since it wasn't disclosed to the public prior to the race to allow you to identify the value in that information. ie the difference between what the 'stock' was worth to the insider versus what it became worth once the information was known. A horse traded at $10 isn't a gain of $10 - since the gain can only be defined as the difference in the price, if the information was in the public domain. Maybe that was $9, maybe it was $12. Who knows. It'd be a guess and therefore will carry no weight.. The big issue with all this is that it is just another area of life where you know sfa. OMG Do you even have a life to be spewing out long drawn out diatribes like this? fyi when I said 'Insider trading' knowledge...even a bogan like Bazz can see I'm referring to some f'er ACTUALLY TRADING with knowledge... Its like guiding a nappied kid ffs This all came about when Josh Parr rode the hot fav...badly....and his manger's tip...was on something else Its PERCEPTION as much as anything when comes to INTEGRITY Which you wouldn't have a f in clue about... Simply...Stop trolling ...but you wouldn't have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 39 minutes ago, Kopia said: And really....is the heading to this post really indicating anything that important on the scale of things? Yes, should have been activated years ago. But all this tells us is that the R.I.U and whoever makes policy are defunct. Is this the best they can do? Its bullshit Tommo. What I would call a smoke screen. What about the real issues, R.I.U raceday stewards turning a blind eye to serious raceday matters if they involve certain ' senior' riders...you know its true. Lazy, slothful behaviour by certain people who are supposed to oversee racetrack safety. The list goes on. don't be sidetracked by a few 'jockey managers' having a bet. If they are that bad at betting that they have to work at sad sack racetracks in NZ then they can't be that good anyway! Absolutely...but as I said it won't happen here for years... ..we can't even work out the 'change of tactic' rule... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Thomass said: OMG Do you even have a life to be spewing out long drawn out diatribes like this? fyi when I said 'Insider trading' knowledge...even a bogan like Bazz can see I'm referring to some f'er ACTUALLY TRADING with knowledge... Its like guiding a nappied kid ffs This all came about when Josh Parr rode the hot fav...badly....and his manger's tip...was on something else Its PERCEPTION as much as anything when comes to INTEGRITY Which you wouldn't have a f in clue about... Simply...Stop trolling ...but you wouldn't have There is NO notion of insider trading with this. Because there is no identifiable GAIN. No impact to others. Nothing. You go off on a load of bollocks because you know so little about these things. Who really gives a toss about what they back or what horse their jockey rides. FFS - get a grip. It has zero to do with integrity. Does the manager have to back the horse ridden by a jockey he operates for. That's like me not being able to buy shares in a company I don't work for. You're a loose cannon. And you're stupid. I'll stop responding when you stop dribbling. The only troll on here is you as per FTF. Respond to everything, go off on stupid tangents. A troll and an idiot. A bad combination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, mardigras said: There is NO notion of insider trading with this. Because there is no identifiable GAIN. No impact to others. Nothing. You go off on a load of bollocks because you know so little about these things. Who really gives a toss about what they back or what horse their jockey rides. FFS - get a grip. It has zero to do with integrity. Does the manager have to back the horse ridden by a jockey he operates for. That's like me not being able to buy shares in a company I don't work for. You're a loose cannon. And you're stupid. I'll stop responding when you stop dribbling. The only troll on here is you as per FTF. Respond to everything, go off on stupid tangents. A troll and an idiot. A bad combination. You're CLUELESS... Many agents have more than one Jockey...who knew..not f in you An agent will have INSIDE KNOWLEDGE on any amount of things... ...especially tactics...he may even advise his Jockey on speed maps...suggest one Jockey rides differently to the other...and INSIDER TRADE on that ..Again PERCEPTION is EVERYTHING And I perceive you to be CLUELESS...ALWAYS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Now you're claiming they're fixing races. Don't think you have to ban agents betting. Charge them with race fixing. The rest of your crap is baseless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 And you're still CLUELESS Josh Parr's trainer may have told him he wanted to change something up... His Manager sees an edge and tips other than the Hotty ..which his Jockey's on If you can't see the INSIDER TRADING info not available to the public...then you're CLUELESS ...but we already knew that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Being a jockey manager isn't a licence to print money, the ones that have no other residual income probably need to have a punt to get by. If you took it at say $ 10 of every riding fee charged to your jockey, plus say % 5 of whatever stake money they earn, you'd need a few big stake wins to better the average wage. Personally, sitting watching hours of race videos every day would end up sending you nuts, throw in aggro from some trainers plenty of easier ways to make a living. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Thomass said: If you can't see the INSIDER TRADING info not available to the public...then you're CLUELESS ...but we already knew that I haven't stated it isn't inside information. I've stated there is no gain in having the information except to those that are gullible like you. Every owner, jockey hairdresser, trainer's mate has potential inside info. But the value of it is undefinable if there even is any value in it. It's all hearsay - which we know you thrive on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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