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Jockey Managers BANNED from Betting!!


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1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Let them all bet doesn't change the ability of the horse.

What a ridiculous statement...

Its internationally accepted practice...Do you want NZ to become a pariah?

Youll find Jockey Agents will become banned world wide now 

They have 'insider trading' knowledge...which is banned on the Sharemarket

Obviously trainers should be the next in the list...

A total ban on betting something other than their stable horse an ASAP red flashing light...

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OF course it is pillick 

IT is having access to non public information about a company

If a Jockey Agent knows his Jock will be either riding to different instructions, missed work, injury recovery...

...or up North...a bi carb dose that the Feds aren't testing for

wake up

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3 minutes ago, Thomass said:

OF course it is pillick 

IT is having access to non public information about a company

If a Jockey Agent knows his Jock will be either riding to different instructions, missed work, injury recovery...

...or up North...a bi carb dose that the Feds aren't testing for

wake up

Societies approach to putting the mentally disabled in among the community is why we have to put up with imbeciles like Thomass. The idea is good, but the reality is they need supervision.

1400 odd posts and nearly all of them utter crap. 

You are once again proving you have no idea. This time about insider trading. Keep it up. What is the next thing you can show us that you are clueless about?

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38 minutes ago, mardigras said:

Societies approach to putting the mentally disabled in among the community is why we have to put up with imbeciles like Thomass. The idea is good, but the reality is they need supervision.

1400 odd posts and nearly all of them utter crap. 

You are once again proving you have no idea. This time about insider trading. Keep it up. What is the next thing you can show us that you are clueless about?

You haven't a f in clue about ANYTHING

Insider Trading absolutely is trading with non public information

What f in school did you go to?

dickhead

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8 hours ago, Thomass said:

IT is having access to non public information about a company

Having access to - and using are not the same thing. Why can't you understand such simple things. Next you'll be claiming that people that work for a company shouldn't be allowed to buy shares in that company. You're a total fool.

7 hours ago, Thomass said:

Insider Trading absolutely is trading with non public information

I haven't said it isn't.

But there is no ability for an owner or a jockey agent to 'trade' with non public information on horse racing unless you're suggesting the inside information is going to become public prior to the race being run in order for the holder of the information to gain on it via trading.

It's going to be a fat lot of good having the inside information disclosed to the public after the race has run and the horse has lost.

And even if you just take the race outcome as some form of 'trade', how are you going to assess what the person with the inside information gained from having the inside information? Even IF the horse won, how are you going to show the inside information was the reason the horse won, given the connections of all the losers equally had inside information, and their horse didn't win.

You'll have no evidence to prove the value of the inside information since it wasn't disclosed to the public prior to the race to allow you to identify the value in that information. ie the difference between what the 'stock' was worth to the insider versus what it became worth once the information was known.

A horse traded at $10 isn't a gain of $10 - since the gain can only be defined as the difference in the price, if the information was in the public domain. Maybe that was $9, maybe it was $12. Who knows. It'd be a guess and therefore will carry no weight..

The big issue with all this is that it is just another area of life where you know sfa.

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And really....is the heading to this post really indicating anything that important on the scale of things? Yes, should have been activated years ago. But all this tells us is that the R.I.U and whoever makes policy are defunct. Is this the best they can do? Its bullshit Tommo. What I would call a smoke screen. What about the real issues, R.I.U raceday stewards turning a blind eye to serious raceday matters if they involve certain ' senior' riders...you know its true. Lazy, slothful behaviour by certain people who are supposed to oversee racetrack safety. The list goes on. don't be sidetracked by a few 'jockey managers' having a bet. If they are that bad at betting that they have to work at sad sack racetracks in NZ then they can't be that good anyway!

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1 hour ago, mardigras said:

Having access to - and using are not the same thing. Why can't you understand such simple things. Next you'll be claiming that people that work for a company shouldn't be allowed to buy shares in that company. You're a total fool.

I haven't said it isn't.

But there is no ability for an owner or a jockey agent to 'trade' with non public information on horse racing unless you're suggesting the inside information is going to become public prior to the race being run in order for the holder of the information to gain on it via trading.

It's going to be a fat lot of good having the inside information disclosed to the public after the race has run and the horse has lost.

And even if you just take the race outcome as some form of 'trade', how are you going to assess what the person with the inside information gained from having the inside information? Even IF the horse won, how are you going to show the inside information was the reason the horse won, given the connections of all the losers equally had inside information, and their horse didn't win.

You'll have no evidence to prove the value of the inside information since it wasn't disclosed to the public prior to the race to allow you to identify the value in that information. ie the difference between what the 'stock' was worth to the insider versus what it became worth once the information was known.

A horse traded at $10 isn't a gain of $10 - since the gain can only be defined as the difference in the price, if the information was in the public domain. Maybe that was $9, maybe it was $12. Who knows. It'd be a guess and therefore will carry no weight..

The big issue with all this is that it is just another area of life where you know sfa.

OMG

Do you even have a life to be spewing out long drawn out diatribes like this?

fyi when I said 'Insider trading' knowledge...even a bogan like Bazz can see I'm referring to some f'er ACTUALLY TRADING with knowledge...

Its like guiding a nappied kid ffs

This all came about when Josh Parr rode the hot fav...badly....and his manger's tip...was on something else

Its PERCEPTION as much as anything when comes to INTEGRITY

Which you wouldn't have a f in clue about...

Simply...Stop trolling 

...but you wouldn't have 

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39 minutes ago, Kopia said:

And really....is the heading to this post really indicating anything that important on the scale of things? Yes, should have been activated years ago. But all this tells us is that the R.I.U and whoever makes policy are defunct. Is this the best they can do? Its bullshit Tommo. What I would call a smoke screen. What about the real issues, R.I.U raceday stewards turning a blind eye to serious raceday matters if they involve certain ' senior' riders...you know its true. Lazy, slothful behaviour by certain people who are supposed to oversee racetrack safety. The list goes on. don't be sidetracked by a few 'jockey managers' having a bet. If they are that bad at betting that they have to work at sad sack racetracks in NZ then they can't be that good anyway!

Absolutely...but as I said it won't happen here for years...

..we can't even work out the 'change of tactic' rule...

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5 minutes ago, Thomass said:

OMG

Do you even have a life to be spewing out long drawn out diatribes like this?

fyi when I said 'Insider trading' knowledge...even a bogan like Bazz can see I'm referring to some f'er ACTUALLY TRADING with knowledge...

Its like guiding a nappied kid ffs

This all came about when Josh Parr rode the hot fav...badly....and his manger's tip...was on something else

Its PERCEPTION as much as anything when comes to INTEGRITY

Which you wouldn't have a f in clue about...

Simply...Stop trolling 

...but you wouldn't have 

There is NO notion of insider trading with this. Because there is no identifiable GAIN. No impact to others. Nothing. You go off on a load of bollocks because you know so little about these things. 

Who really gives a toss about what they back or what horse their jockey rides. FFS - get a grip. It has zero to do with integrity. Does the manager have to back the horse ridden by a jockey he operates for. That's like me not being able to buy shares in a company I don't work for. You're a loose cannon. And you're stupid.

I'll stop responding when you stop dribbling. The only troll on here is you as per FTF. Respond to everything, go off on stupid tangents. A troll and an idiot. A bad combination.

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7 minutes ago, mardigras said:

There is NO notion of insider trading with this. Because there is no identifiable GAIN. No impact to others. Nothing. You go off on a load of bollocks because you know so little about these things. 

Who really gives a toss about what they back or what horse their jockey rides. FFS - get a grip. It has zero to do with integrity. Does the manager have to back the horse ridden by a jockey he operates for. That's like me not being able to buy shares in a company I don't work for. You're a loose cannon. And you're stupid.

I'll stop responding when you stop dribbling. The only troll on here is you as per FTF. Respond to everything, go off on stupid tangents. A troll and an idiot. A bad combination.

You're CLUELESS...

Many agents have more than one Jockey...who knew..not f in you

An agent will have INSIDE KNOWLEDGE on any amount of things...

...especially tactics...he may even advise his Jockey on speed maps...suggest one Jockey rides differently to the other...and INSIDER TRADE on that

..Again PERCEPTION is EVERYTHING

And I perceive you to be CLUELESS...ALWAYS

 

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And you're still CLUELESS

Josh Parr's trainer may have told him he wanted to change something up...

His Manager sees an edge and tips other than the Hotty

..which his Jockey's on

If you can't see the INSIDER TRADING info not available to the public...then you're 

CLUELESS

...but we already knew that

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Being a jockey manager isn't a licence to print money,  the ones that have no other residual income probably need to have a punt to get by.   If you took it at say $ 10  of every riding fee charged to your jockey, plus  say  % 5 of whatever stake money they earn, you'd need a few big stake wins to better the average wage.  Personally, sitting watching hours of race videos every day would end up sending you nuts, throw in aggro from some trainers  plenty of easier ways to make a living. 

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3 minutes ago, Thomass said:

 

If you can't see the INSIDER TRADING info not available to the public...then you're 

CLUELESS

...but we already knew that

I haven't stated it isn't inside information. I've stated there is no gain in having the information except to those that are gullible like you.

Every owner, jockey hairdresser, trainer's mate has potential inside info. But the value of it is undefinable if there even is any value in it. 

It's all hearsay - which we know you thrive on. 

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