curious Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Reefton said: No but with Mr Jones' extra $6m they are planning to I see. Any taxpayers you know keen on Mr. Jones expending that? Edited December 13, 2018 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Getting this topic back on track - excuse the pun. So we are going to get a new poly track to train and eventually race on in Cambridge. Aside from the many downsides of a poly track in terms of horse welfare we are now going to INCREASE the number of race tracks! Is Te Rapa going to shift their grandstand, stables and other facilities to Cambridge or are they going to build new ones? How many abandoned meetings will this new track save? I suggest zero or one at most. Meanwhile nothing has been done on the revenue side to make any of the existing tracks sustainable let alone a brand new one!!!! That half decent nag ENABLE had her very first start as a 2yo over 1600m on the Newcastle Tapeta track. Also, her first run of 2018 was on the Kempton polytrack before winning her 2nd Arc and then the Breeders Cup. If one of the world's best trainers is happy to run ENABLE on AW tracks, then surely they can't be that bad? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, Brando said: That half decent nag ENABLE had her very first start as a 2yo over 1600m on the Newcastle Tapeta track. Also, her first run of 2018 was on the Kempton polytrack before winning her 2nd Arc and then the Breeders Cup. If one of the world's best trainers is happy to run ENABLE on AW tracks, then surely they can't be that bad? In the words of Tom Jones, It's not unusual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 3 hours ago, curious said: I see. Any taxpayers you know keen on Mr. Jones expending that? Agreed but that is what was reported to us at Oamaru The rorts in that PGF would be massive - Jones gets all that dosh for the far north, Winnie gets his racing money(including for Riccarton which is hardly provincial) , they get $40m via the backdoor for KiwiRail (part of that $140m for the Coast two weeks ago for the 'upgrade' of the Tranz Alpine), Jones investing PGF money in dodgy deals. It is just a slush fund 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackM Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/racing/funds-boost-safety-race-tracks-south Wednesday, 12 December 2018 Funds boost safety of race tracks in Winston Peters. Photo: Getty Images Safety at Southern racetracks has been boosted by funding from central government. Racing Minister Winston Peters has given more than $600,000 in grants from the Racing Safety Development Fund to 25 projects to improve safety at race courses around the country. The grants are made available from the development fund which provides $1 million annually for racecourse safety in two funding rounds. This year's first funding round has supported a range of infrastructure projects including track maintenance equipment, irrigation system installation, replacement running rails and track lighting upgrades. The Ascot Park consortium in Invercargill was granted $24,693 for infrastructure at the track. Forbury Park was allocated $7786 for lighting. Lighting would be improved in the stabling area and the prerace area to help trainers and stewards. The work has started and should be finished by Christmas. The Otago Racing Club was granted a total of $19,572 for track drainage and a horse float entry gate. Maintenance was needed on a section of the track and the gate was made safer. It is weighted and opens when a horse float moved nearby. The next funding round opens for applications on February 14 and closes on March 31 next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 21 hours ago, The Diceman's Been said: It will be a very CRAPPY CAKE if Whisky Winn is involved As I suspected Mr. Been...you haven't been eating your greens... Greens turn previously bunged up buggers into free flowing freedom fighters... ....instead of tears rolling down your cheeks forcing a 6 incher through a 1/2inch... ...you'll be ripping it....and think of the time saved... posting shit like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 12 hours ago, Reefton said: Agreed but that is what was reported to us at Oamaru The rorts in that PGF would be massive - Jones gets all that dosh for the far north, Winnie gets his racing money(including for Riccarton which is hardly provincial) , they get $40m via the backdoor for KiwiRail (part of that $140m for the Coast two weeks ago for the 'upgrade' of the Tranz Alpine), Jones investing PGF money in dodgy deals. It is just a slush fund Wow reefer...I'd hate to be you Your continual negative narrative is borish... Borish though...was watching the Knats do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrt INFRUSTRUCTURE This Grande Coalition is finally GOVERNING... Maybe you'll be allowed to grow a bit of the Gunja shortly...purely medicinal of course... ...works wonders for piles I hear...of which you have many 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kihikihi Kid Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 17 hours ago, Brando said: That half decent nag ENABLE had her very first start as a 2yo over 1600m on the Newcastle Tapeta track. Also, her first run of 2018 was on the Kempton polytrack before winning her 2nd Arc and then the Breeders Cup. If one of the world's best trainers is happy to run ENABLE on AW tracks, then surely they can't be that bad? But he would't race on every AW track now would he , can't see us getting it right 1st time round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 On 13/12/2018 at 12:56 PM, Thomass said: Wow reefer...I'd hate to be you Your continual negative narrative is borish... Borish though...was watching the Knats do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrt INFRUSTRUCTURE This Grande Coalition is finally GOVERNING... Maybe you'll be allowed to grow a bit of the Gunja shortly...purely medicinal of course... ...works wonders for piles I hear...of which you have many Could be his breeding ? A non-stud book family perhaps ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Poisoned Dwarf said: Could be his breeding ? A non-stud book family perhaps ? careful 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Kihikihi Kid said: But he would't race on every AW track now would he , can't see us getting it right 1st time round. What makes you think John Gosden wouldn't? UK has 5 AW tracks and Gosden has had runners at ALL courses. For the 2018 season, Gosden has started runners of all ages 248 times on the AW tracks for 70 wins. 3.5 S/R or 28% win rate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 On 13/12/2018 at 6:10 PM, Reefton said: careful were there any notable stallions who stood on the West Coast ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Poisoned Dwarf said: were there any notable stallions who stood on the West Coast ? You're a bit like Tom arse. You sail a bit close to the wind sometimes. Questioning my pedigree may well bring you as sharp a reaction as you might receive on the other channel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 11 hours ago, Thomass said: Wow reefer...I'd hate to be you Your continual negative narrative is borish... Borish though...was watching the Knats do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrt INFRUSTRUCTURE This Grande Coalition is finally GOVERNING... Maybe you'll be allowed to grow a bit of the Gunja shortly...purely medicinal of course... ...works wonders for piles I hear...of which you have many At least it is coherent and logical. In your case it is utter piffle. Which is why the sensible people on here either ignore you or give you exactly what you deserve(ie a decent bollocking). The credibility of your friend Peters is not enhanced by the tripe you spew in his defence. Now notice that the grammar is pretty good, the spelling reasonably accurate and the message fairly clear. Perhaps instead of fanticising about Jacinda or some poor innocent young girl jockey you should take a course in effective english at which point you may well find people would become a little more interested in what you have have to say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 56 minutes ago, Reefton said: At least it is coherent and logical. In your case it is utter piffle. Which is why the sensible people on here either ignore you or give you exactly what you deserve(ie a decent bollocking). The credibility of your friend Peters is not enhanced by the tripe you spew in his defence. Now notice that the grammar is pretty good, the spelling reasonably accurate and the message fairly clear. Perhaps instead of fanticising about Jacinda or some poor innocent young girl jockey you should take a course in effective english at which point you may well find people would become a little more interested in what you have have to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 On 14/12/2018 at 12:03 AM, Reefton said: You're a bit like Tom arse. You sail a bit close to the wind sometimes. Questioning my pedigree may well bring you as sharp a reaction as you might receive on the other channel. You could claim Mill Reef as a descendant, Reefer, while it's doubtful that a Greymouth accountant of longevity would know much about living on the edge or sailing " a bit close to the wind sometimes " but some of us do it very successfully. " Sharp reactions " don't always have us quivering in our boots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Poisoned Dwarf said: You could claim Mill Reef as a descendant, Reefer, while it's doubtful that a Greymouth accountant of longevity would know much about living on the edge or sailing " a bit close to the wind sometimes " but some of us do it very successfully. " Sharp reactions " don't always have us quivering in our boots. That why you ply your trade on BOAY? You are a bit like Thomass and need to get over to the other side. I bet you wouldn't make the same comment to a certain person over there. Anyway as a Winston supporter you will lack basic intelligence and common sense and I rather doubt, in light of your political inclinations, you could be too successful at anything so like Thomass and Winston you will be best ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 21 hours ago, Reefton said: That why you ply your trade on BOAY? You are a bit like Thomass and need to get over to the other side. I bet you wouldn't make the same comment to a certain person over there. Anyway as a Winston supporter you will lack basic intelligence and common sense and I rather doubt, in light of your political inclinations, you could be too successful at anything so like Thomass and Winston you will be best ignored. " Ply your trade on BOAY ? " This forum is just another of the hilarious aspects of life. You just come here for some laughter and crack up at the fools who take NZ racing seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Poisoned Dwarf said: " Ply your trade on BOAY ? " This forum is just another of the hilarious aspects of life. You just come here for some laughter and crack up at the fools who take NZ racing seriously. Those who are trying to make a decent living kinda do take it seriously....fools they/we may be, for not moving on and/or doing something else. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Poisoned Dwarf said: " Ply your trade on BOAY ? " This forum is just another of the hilarious aspects of life. You just come here for some laughter and crack up at the fools who take NZ racing seriously. I thought 'dwarf' referred to stature. Now I discover it is intellect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 21 hours ago, Reefton said: I thought 'dwarf' referred to stature. Now I discover it is intellect. Learning is very good for the brain, keeps you young. Full marks for your discovery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Beau Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 On 14/12/2018 at 7:25 PM, Poisoned Dwarf said: were there any notable stallions who stood on the West Coast ? If that is a serious question, then the answer is RED JESTER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 On 14/12/2018 at 9:10 PM, Freda said: Those who are trying to make a decent living kinda do take it seriously....fools they/we may be, for not moving on and/or doing something else. For many its more like a serious addiction when they can't imagine life without a horse in training Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 12 hours ago, Freda said: Those who are trying to make a decent living kinda do take it seriously....fools they/we may be, for not moving on and/or doing something else. Unfortunately you have been let down by racing leadership for two decades. I don't see that changing soon as long as the elite are in charge WITHOUT any top level involvement from those at the coal face. If we are not careful the new Cambridge complex will be a money sink hole and will slowly drain the lifeblood from every region via disproportionate funding from that same leadership. The number of meeting abandonments is a total red herring. They help NZTR balance the books. Why doesn't NZTR evenly distribute the allocated stakes to all acceptors of an abandoned meeting? In reality they cant afford to. The first task on the agenda should be to address the revenue earning side of the industry. Racefields legislation is another red herring. Restructure the NZRB ASAP. Sorry JA but you need to show the way by taking a pay cut and earn a salary commensurate with the actual size of your organisation. Next hire a general manager that knows something about the wagering industry. Currently you don't have that expertise and are getting poor advice. Price your product competitively. Lastly get a forensic programme recovery team in ASAP for your never ending IT project. I know a group of individuals who have put right more than one dying project both in the public and private sectors. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 (edited) In a nutshell. We have to realise that any change to RB structure requires legislative action...so I suppose the apparent lack of action here is understandable...but increasing revenue is the ONLY thing that can arrest the decline in NZ racing. All the Mac's, Rita's and synthetic tracks in the world won't do anything , on their own, to achieve that. Edited December 15, 2018 by Freda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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