In 20 months no more @Yankiwi....I mean Greyhounds are Banned!

[bamboozla]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

@Yankiwi and his acolytes have been a big part of the problem.  @Yankiwi is the exemplar of wahg not to do and what has brought your industry down.  By his own admission after 14 months involvement he ran for the hills except he didn't.  What he did was give oxygen to the anti-racing brigade and with his misinformation poured petrol on the fires they lit.  

He character assassinated administrators, trainers and owners alike.  All from the sidelines because he refused to have any more real skin in the game.  

He refused opportunities to speak directly with administrators instead maintained his keyboard attacks.

At the end of the day he achieved nothing except help bring down an industry he says he supports.  He achieved nothing positive.

All three racing codes have @Yankiwi 's many driven only by envy or at best one single issue which they are obsessed with.  Often something that happened years ago.  It is a bit like if I couldn't win no one else is.

I could name the individuals from each code, many have passed through BOAY and many other forms of social media.  They've all achieved nothing or changed anything but continue to repeat the same actions over and over and over.  Didn't Einstein define that as insanity?

Plenty of people on here with significant skin in the game, not going to buy that argument. In terms of bringing down the sport the blame for that lies 100% elsewhere, in the very places should it not have been pointed out repeatedly I suspect you would be arguing should have been called out by numerous participants who have lurked around here over the years. 

These Administrators you speak of sure have made themselves scarce, I can't recall one ever reaching out to me, not once. Plenty of effort the other way..

[BitofaLegend]

54 minutes ago, bamboozla said:

Plenty of people on here with significant skin in the game, not going to buy that argument. In terms of bringing down the sport the blame for that lies 100% elsewhere, in the very places should it not have been pointed out repeatedly I suspect you would be arguing should have been called out by numerous participants who have lurked around here over the years. 

These Administrators you speak of sure have made themselves scarce, I can't recall one ever reaching out to me, not once. Plenty of effort the other way..

Yep. That head in the sand argument is why greyhound racing has such a bad name now.

[Yankiwi]

Seems like a good time to bring this to light.

Injuries before the shut-down announcement compared with since the announcement.

I've now heard from two completely unrelated sources that dogs are being raced and others run in pre/post-race trials and on trial only days in the hope of having them break down to lower the costs of looking after them and/or jumping the que in getting them into a rehoming program quickly.

Granted, only here-say, however early race day injury data could be pointing towards some truth in what's being whispered.

If there's some truth in it, then maybe the track conditions shouldn't habour as much of the blame for the excess injuries.

 

The injury data I capture is what is reported by Stewards. If an injury occurs during a pre/post race-day trial it's not recorded in my data. Stewards record as a "note" in their report of a meeting, any injuries which a stand-down is issued, that happened during the trials, but no data is given on the number of starters for the day's trials.

Also, non-race day trials could still be a wild west event. Everyone turns up, runs their dogs around the track, packs them back up & brings them home. No prerace or postrace vet checks, no record of injuries sustained, no Steward to make sure a fluffy is on the lure arm instead of something else.

GRNZ considers this transparency.

[Yes Yes No]

Can you please give it a rest.

We have trainers really struggling with metal health at the moment ,

concerns about what will happen with their dogs ,properties etc.

With children crying saying they don’t want Xmas because they wanted to be a greyhound trainer when their older.

With no communication at all from Winston or anyone from the government not knowing is putting xtra stress on them.

 

[bamboozla]

53 minutes ago, Yes Yes No said:

Can you please give it a rest.

We have trainers really struggling with metal health at the moment ,

concerns about what will happen with their dogs ,properties etc.

With children crying saying they don’t want Xmas because they wanted to be a greyhound trainer when their older.

With no communication at all from Winston or anyone from the government not knowing is putting xtra stress on them.

 

Fair enough, done from me. 

[Yankiwi]

27 minutes ago, Yes Yes No said:

Can you please give it a rest.

We have trainers really struggling with metal health at the moment ,

concerns about what will happen with their dogs ,properties etc.

With children crying saying they don’t want Xmas because they wanted to be a greyhound trainer when their older.

With no communication at all from Winston or anyone from the government not knowing is putting xtra stress on them.

 

I feel bad for many of the trainers on what is happening. Most don't deserve what's going on. However, there are a few that have proven over the years that they need to be gone. GRNZ/RIB are openly blind to them & haven't kept them in check.

Now more than ever I think it's time for the good and the decent people in the sport to come together & unite for their own futures in the industry. Sweeping changes are needed with urgency. You can't rely on GRNZ sugarcoating their way thru the hot water this time.

Why don't the 30 or 40 (complete guess on the numbers) good/decent trainers come together, fight back against the ratbags and fight back against GRNZ for letting you down over the years?

Surely there must be a professional/lawyer type somewhere amongst their owners that would be willing to help. Maybe they could help to write a letter to the Minister on how you've all been hard done by the ratbags and by the poor leadership GRNZ and the not so unrelated RIU/RIB soft touch on justice. Ask the minister to reconsider cleaning out the sport from the top down, instead of closing it. Tell the minister how limiting the numbers of racing dogs allowable per kennel could help to bring the industry back. Tell him how impossible it is for the good people of the industry to compete with the protected corporate kennels.

[Yankiwi]

A very good response to the print media by Allen Bryce.

https://www.grnz.co.nz/News/3299/Allen-Bryce-Letter-to-NZ-Newspapers

While I agree with most of it, more of this kind of correspondence & less of the headquarter "pity me" pieces will serve the industry far better.

[BitofaLegend]

2 hours ago, Yankiwi said:

A very good response to the print media by Allen Bryce.

https://www.grnz.co.nz/News/3299/Allen-Bryce-Letter-to-NZ-Newspapers

While I agree with most of it, more of this kind of correspondence & less of the headquarter "pity me" pieces will serve the industry far better.

Many of the points here, I put to those in govermnent via emails.

Unfortunatly, Act was the only party that acknowledged it with a response and it seems they are providing a blanket response to everyone who has emailed them regarding the closure.

Still better then Mr Peters who doesnt seem to want to front anything right now.