captian hammerhead/ shepparton cup/punters outraged?

[the galah]

16 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Well it is obvious he is guilty of breaking the rules.  He dropped his leg out of the sulky and hit the leg of the horse he was driving.

@the galah do you want us to pass the hat round to cover your bet?

So those hearing the appeal that overturned the neilsen case in australia,where contact occured over 40m ,didn't know the rules.

Funnily enough,the stipes report today at ashburton noted a driver did the same thing briefly,making contact with his horses leg once in the final straight.

no action,no warning. Just a note that it was accidental.

like with many indiscretions for the same thing,they have many different outcomes depending on the circumstances

Edited 14 hours ago by the galah

[Gammalite]

23 minutes ago, the galah said:

So those hearing the appeal that overturned the neilsen case in australia,where contact occured over 40m ,didn't know the rules.

Funnily enough,the stipes report today at ashburton noted a driver did the same thing briefly,making contact with his horses leg once in the final straight.

no action,no warning. Just a note that it was accidental.

like with many indiscretions for the same thing,they have many different outcomes depending on the circumstances

Don't know why they have to overturn it ? just because you don't agree with it. Other incidents are separate affairs.

Chief put the video on the first page of this thread . (thank you Chief) and it shows his leg come down at the 200 , and it didn't look like a slip to me. And he didn't rush to put the leg back up or anything. (until he was sure he had the race Won) 

So the Stewards applied the rule as best they could from observations. That's What they Do all the time. Rules are broken , they take action. nothing wrong with that. 

Personally I think the penalty given was harsh though ( but it will deter ALL in future) A bit like McGrath getting the excessive milkshake DQ there. No one else game enough to milkshake now and get 7-8 years 😎

You can't take any notice of 'honesty' from drivers. I always just blamed the horse , no matter what happened lol 🤣.

Moran has 'packed the shits' and Not put Captain Hammerhead in the 100k Ballarat Cup this week Sat now 😋, so Kanena Provlima might get a fair and square Win 🏆👍. Great young driver James Herbertson has a choice of 2 of the favourites drives though , so will be interesting.

[Chief Stipe]

11 hours ago, the galah said:

So those hearing the appeal that overturned the neilsen case in australia,where contact occured over 40m ,didn't know the rules.

Funnily enough,the stipes report today at ashburton noted a driver did the same thing briefly,making contact with his horses leg once in the final straight.

no action,no warning. Just a note that it was accidental.

like with many indiscretions for the same thing,they have many different outcomes depending on the circumstances

Are debating guilty of an offence or the penalty that was given?

Moran is guilty of an offence under the harness racing rules.

You seem to be suggesting he gets a slap with a soggy race book!

[the galah]

10 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Don't know why they have to overturn it ? just because you don't agree with it.

interesting interpretation of what i said.

I thought i have been consistently saying that there is a reasonable possibilty that Moran will be found Not Guilty,most likely on appeal,If he is charged with doing what he is alleged to have done.

And i say that because of the precedent out of queensland,heard in september 2024 involving hocking.

Gatton,race 6 -25 august. Mathew neilsen puts his foot down with 40m to go and it strikes the hocks of the horse he was driving 3 times and it gets up to win by a nose.In that casse the stipes used another rule,which allowed then to relegate(not disqualify) the horse to 2nd and gave neilsen a suspension. neilsen appealed and his case was overturned on appeal and he was found not guilty.

One assumes queenslands australian harness rules are the same as victorias australian harness rules.

Then i said,the 2 other most high profile cases of this type of incident ,did not result in disqualification on the night. Punteres were paid as they crossed the line,the drivers subsequently charged ,found guilty at a later date and then the horse was disqualified.

I noted in all 3 cases,the actions of the drivers were clearly hocking.

I suggested someone put the videos up as i don't know how to and then inferred anyone watching the videos would see Morans placement of his foot in the shepparton cup was nothing like what occured in the 3 other cases.

and i raised the possiblity of the owners of captain hammerhead trying to get the decision to disqualify overturned,should Moran be found not guilty,which as i said is a possibilty based on the case at gatton.

Hop that clarifies that for you.

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

I thought i have been consistently saying that there is a reasonable possibilty that Moran will be found Not Guilty,most likely on appeal,If he is charged with doing what he is alleged to have done.

Fair enough. we get that. But that's the same for every Steward and court case going. Someone is 'always trying to compare' to previous similar incidents to try and get a similar outcome.  on appeal .  

What Chief and I are saying is Stewards an Offence was committed, a penalty applied by the stewards on duty . Professionals at this job with years of experience.  alas the penalty was pretty harsh . 

1 hour ago, the galah said:

One assumes queenslands australian harness rules are the same as victorias australian harness rules.

Yes .and as mentioned I have known drivers to be fined for dropping a leg . usually late on in a race to get better whip contact as the Brodster observed. This Moran case Does Not Appear to be ''Hocking' to me. He wasn't trying to hit the horses leg with his boot . The Horses leg was thundering into him instead.  I would of just fined him as the horse won convincingly and a DQ is harsh. but rule's need to be enforced or 'Anarchy ' reigns supreme 🤣😂

But like a 'head high shot'  at the footy , there's always debate about 'deliberateness' v accidentalness and penalties vary from one week to 3 weeks. It's just an interpretation by the officials . same as Stewards. or even in the Law courts. 

Penalized person just has to suck it  Up and get on with it. 😉 Moran deciding to bypass Ballarat Cup now though, when could of got the Ultimate 'make up for it's for the punters and horse connections. His Loss of opportunity for redemption.