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race 5 methven/victorian stipes.


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1 hour ago, Blackie said:

Touching a horse’s hoof at speed is enough to give it a little go fast, don’t need to be its hock.. just ask someone who’s driven one touching the foot rests or wheels.

yes i understand that.

The most talented horse we believe we ever had,was so big he used to hit the footrests. He was just so fast but then the faster he went the harder he hit them and in the end he just lost all confidence and went through a phase where he would bolt then panic and gallop.

He was that big we got every bit of gear made for him and even a 76 inch hopple was tight on him. The racecarts simply weren't legally big enough and in the end,with all the bigger gear, he just learnt himself to coast around in 1st gear so he didn't hit the footrests. We qualified first go but then retired him as they didn't make shoes big enough for him and every farrier i spoke to,no one said they could or would make a pair of shoes for him. I knew one of them did,but he had seen him run fast in training and for some reason didn't want to help,so he wore an aluminium shoe that the shoe place said they imported for some clydsdale owner,but they were still too small and the  day he qualified he came off the track with 2 quarter cracks bleeding.One time he had an injury and we sent him to a very well known vet for treatment for a week and his comment when we got him back was,you've got a very special horse here. I guessed he had checked his heart out or something but he wouldn't say why when i asked him,just repeated it.

Obviously i'm describing something different than a horse getting a fright for a couple of strides,but i know how it can't scare them.

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15 hours ago, the galah said:

Well thats what you think.

I think your "Doubling down on stupid" there chief.

The victorian stipes have never said his foot hit his horses hocks and the video shows his foot never hit his horses hocks....

The stipes say there was contact with the horses hind leg on a couple of occassions.

my advice to you is just look at the video again and you will see the stipes are saying leg,not hock, because the contact is around the bottom of the leg(the  hoof of the horse),no where near the hock.

Hock, leg, fetlock, hoof...  the Stewards and we both agree Moran hit some part of the leg of the horse with his suspended boot.  That's against the rules.  The rules allow for disqualification.  The stipes agreed Moran took his leg off the foot rest which subsequently hit the horse.  Disqualified.

Case closed.

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3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Hock, leg, fetlock, hoof...  the Stewards and we both agree Moran hit some part of the leg of the horse with his suspended boot.  That's against the rules.  The rules allow for disqualification.  The stipes agreed Moran too his leg off the foot rest which subsequently the horse.  Disqualified.

Case closed.

Gets his chance on Saturday for redemption in the Pure Steel FFA on Saturday. Captain Hammerhead didn't make the Hunter Cup field after the DQ, (wouldn't of placed in that anyway) , so Goes around the race before.

Might be 4-1  in race 5 and very hard to beat, and worth a few bucks. kicked well to win at Shepperton ? 🤣😉  before getting DQed. 😎

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i've always found it very interesting watching the reactions of horses who make contact with footrests.

Not all horses react the same.

But they all initially seem to get a fright ,which is totally understandable.

I also believe contact is a factor in horses breaking,more than is officially recognised. 

I think its especially stressful for big horses when they are early in their careers as the reason they are making contact is because the length of their stride is so big.

to me ,heavens rock was the perfect example of the stress caused by making contact and the long term psychological effects on a horse ,who go through the worry of encountering that stress every time they run at speed,especially early in their careers when they are getting used to the stress.i think it can be mentally traumatic for some.

I assume that is what heavens rock went through ,they said that was his issue and i had seen the horse we had react exactly the same previously.

Reggie golightly i think is another example of how it effects a big horse.

Reggie golightly,a r39 horse who has not won for 2 years ran 2.56 in a trial at ashburton 5 months ago ,running his first mile in 1.54.9,the 2000 in 2.25 and running an overall time of 2.56 for the 2400m,fresh up in a trial at ashburton about 5 months ago. He did it seemingly under restraint the whole way ,winning by a huge margin,at one stage being almost being half the length of the straight in front.

. I assume he was running so fast because he is such a big horse and his feet were either touching the wheel or footrest or some contact was being made.

i believe that trial was a good example of just how it can mess with a horses head to have that happen. And if you have followed reggie golightly,you would say,well hes won 4 races but he doesn't seem to try very hard moost of the time. But really,if you think about it,its not because he didn't start off not wanting to try,its because ,i'm guessing the experiences he would have had due to being so big. 

anyway,i have gone off on a wee bit of a tangent and maybe no one is interested,but i think,a lot of traits horses have are a result of their breeding,but horses mindset is also shaped by the experiences they have had.We say this or that about their attitudes and habits,and maybe its true ,but also maybe we should realise we are judging some harsher than is deserved.

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44 minutes ago, the galah said:

anyway,i have gone off on a wee bit of a tangent and maybe no one is interested,but i think,a lot of traits horses have are a result of their breeding,but horses mindset is also shaped by the experiences they have had.

Was quite interesting. I understand some are only interested in the betting, but the Breeding and Training are All part of it too and good on you for pointing out some experiences. The attention to detail always makes a better product 👍.

Agree totally that the breeding is a huge factor , as is the training experience in getting a horse in right frame of mind to race well. 

Each decade see's them get faster and fast , and better and better.

Here are 4 Multiple Interdominion Winners , that were the best of their decades.  Winning miles easily and excelling at distance racing as well . just true Great horses. and showing the stride length and increase in speed there- fore.

Top is Village Kid . The best of the 80's , and Our Sir Vancelot . The best of the 90's . 3 Interdom wins . usually running between 1.55 to 2.00 mile rates for their races.

This century they accelerated further . from 2010 when horses like BEAUTIDE there (red silks)  , with a Magnificent long stride  . Beat Christen Me in the Miracle Mile ( Christen Me the NZ champ beat him the following year though to square the ledger) and won 2 Interdominions. Look at that sectional behind him in photo . A 26.5 quarter Mid-race. That would wipe the floor with Anything from last century.  these horses running 1.50 to 1.55 all the time .

Hoofs certainly higher and getting near footrests now lol 😅. Lennythe Shark there, a supreme horse, won heaps, but  had to take a number of NZ Allstars on a lot of the time. and think he was beat a nose in the Miracle Mile by Natalie in 1.47 😳. Low flying .

And for the past decade the Super good BETTOR's DELIGHTS the like of Lazarus, and Leap To Fame, and Tiger Tara are the absolute supreme Beasts . Winning every Big race going and thundering to victory with a magnificent Gait and stride . I think that's why they removed the old footrests ? and just a wee bar there now on the sulky for the drivers boot. > These bad Boys would be smashing the thing to Pieces 🤣😂😎 . High Flying . (don't have photo's of them yet , but they are the Best ever) 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

Was quite interesting. I understand some are only interested in the betting, but the Breeding and Training are All part of it too and good on you for pointing out some experiences. The attention to detail always makes a better product 👍.

Agree totally that the breeding is a huge factor , as is the training experience in getting a horse in right frame of mind to race well. 

Each decade see's them get faster and fast , and better and better.

Here are 4 Multiple Interdominion Winners , that were the best of their decades.  Winning miles easily and excelling at distance racing as well . just true Great horses. and showing the stride length and increase in speed there- fore.

Top is Village Kid . The best of the 80's , and Our Sir Vancelot . The best of the 90's . 3 Interdom wins . usually running between 1.55 to 2.00 mile rates for their races.

This century they accelerated further . from 2010 when horses like BEAUTIDE there (red silks)  , with a Magnificent long stride  . Beat Christen Me in the Miracle Mile ( Christen Me the NZ champ beat him the following year though to square the ledger) and won 2 Interdominions. Look at that sectional behind him in photo . A 26.5 quarter Mid-race. That would wipe the floor with Anything from last century.  these horses running 1.50 to 1.55 all the time .

Hoofs certainly higher and getting near footrests now lol 😅. Lennythe Shark there, a supreme horse, won heaps, but  had to take a number of NZ Allstars on a lot of the time. and think he was beat a nose in the Miracle Mile by Natalie in 1.47 😳. Low flying .

And for the past decade the Super good BETTOR's DELIGHTS the like of Lazarus, and Leap To Fame, and Tiger Tara are the absolute supreme Beasts . Winning every Big race going and thundering to victory with a magnificent Gait and stride . I think that's why they removed the old footrests ? and just a wee bar there now on the sulky for the drivers boot. > These bad Boys would be smashing the thing to Pieces 🤣😂😎 . High Flying . (don't have photo's of them yet , but they are the Best ever) 

 

 

 

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you make a good point about how carts these days have been modified from what they once were.. 

some are marketed with specific comments like, the viper race cart,it says "no trouble with horses hitting footrests...widest wheel span on the market when fitted with viper speed wheels"...and these days sulkies seem designed better  to help keep a horses body straight which helps as well.

Really i suppose its an advantage in having a horse trained by a big trainer who has all the flash sulkies and could use trial and error to work out what sulky worked best to avoid a big strding horse making contact. Harder for a trainer with just a couple in training to go and spend a few thousand on another cart with no guarantee it will solve the issue..Occassionally some may still have too long a stride or they may still swing their back legs out further and get close to the wheels at speed or whatever.

actually its very interesting to note the different actions of each horse when they show the head on films of the final stages. you wouldn't realise how different they can be unless you were driving or positioned next to them.

I guess what type of footrests are on a cart can figure into whether a driver is more likely to drive with his foot out of the footrests if unbalanced.

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1 hour ago, the galah said:

guess what type of footrests are on a cart can figure into whether a driver is more likely to drive with his foot out of the footrests if unbalanced.

yes I didn't realize it was such a problem until this DQ incident.

there's lots of examples around all the time 🤔.

3 Sept 2024  General: Driver N Ford was questioned regarding his right dropping from its foot-rest midway ... Sulky struck leaving the 300. Tightened

4 Nov 2024  Mr Trotter was also issued a $100 Minor Infringement Notice for driving with his foot removed from the sulky footrest for a distance roundin

3 Jan 2025  Horse Sales ... Driver Sebastian Piltz was issued a reprimand under AHR Rule 170(1)(a) for allowing his right foot to slip from the sulky footrest 

10 Mar 2024  Stipendiary Stewards Report ... Mr Orange was warned for using his whip with his foot removed from the sulky footrest on one occasion in the run ...

23 Dec 2024  ENABLE ME NZ – Driver C Geary momentarily dropped his right foot from the sulky footrest in the home straight on the final occasion. T

RNESS RACING STEWARDS REPORT ... Driver D. Ford momentarily dropped his foot from the footrest before immediately replacing it, no action was

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