Chief Stipe Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 7:01 PM, curious said: 25% is a bit of an understatement. Waller's basic daily rate is $A180. That's double or more most NZ trainers. The rest I agree with. Expand Te Akau's is $157 + GST. BTW the big stables in NZ are charging more than $90 a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 7:05 PM, Chief Stipe said: Te Akau's is $157 + GST. BTW the big stables in NZ are charging more than $90 a day. Expand About the same. Waller is 161+GST. ~$NZ200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 12:03 PM, Special Agent said: I don't think the news of Mark being full time in Australia is a surprise but, what does it mean for the training partnership? Do the stables become two entities now? Expand It sounds like he will be back and forth from Aus to NZ , so perhaps that answers how it will run. Fascinating to see how he goes over there with the new firepower they have, I think he will do very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 7:01 PM, curious said: 25% is a bit of an understatement. Waller's basic daily rate is $A180. That's double or more most NZ trainers. The rest I agree with. Expand But you still have to win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 7:35 PM, Huey said: But you still have to win! Expand Doesn't matter what the daily rate is if you don't win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 27/01/2025 at 7:02 PM, Chief Stipe said: No. Nothing has changed other than Mark will be based full-time in OZ. Not much different to the top OZ Trainers having permanent stables in 2 or 3 States. Expand Will the 'powers that be' in NZ be happy to have a training partner of a NZ stable full-time in Aussie ? Aussie bosses definitely discourage this type of arrangement. The news of this 'change' from Te Akau will be interesting as Mark Walker is a highly respected horseman among owners , many believing he is the 'ACE ' in the whole operation ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 28/01/2025 at 9:42 AM, TAB For Ever said: Will the 'powers that be' in NZ be happy to have a training partner of a NZ stable full-time in Aussie ? Aussie bosses definitely discourage this type of arrangement. The news of this 'change' from Te Akau will be interesting as Mark Walker is a highly respected horseman among owners , many believing he is the 'ACE ' in the whole operation ! Expand It certainly goes back a long way without a problem since training partnerships became a thing. I remember for example, the Chris Waller/Heather Weller partnership operating successfully at Foxton when Chris first moved to Sydney. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 On 28/01/2025 at 3:12 PM, curious said: It certainly goes back a long way without a problem since training partnerships became a thing. I remember for example, the Chris Waller/Heather Weller partnership operating successfully at Foxton when Chris first moved to Sydney. Expand A lot easier now with video technology and the internet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 I can't see it being an issue (distance or travel) , not to mention the young boy Bergerson seems to be doing a very good job also and is beginning to come into his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 On 28/01/2025 at 8:44 PM, Huey said: I can't see it being an issue (distance or travel) , not to mention the young boy Bergerson seems to be doing a very good job also and is beginning to come into his own. Expand Aidan O'Brien, Ballydoyle Ireland said Sam was one of the smartest young men to have worked for him. Herb and Royden Bergerson are very good trainers. At least Sam has had some balance having spent 4 years completing an accountancy degree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 What is the stables winning strike rate like in Aus…. I thought it was pretty poor overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 On 28/01/2025 at 11:23 PM, Newmarket said: What is the stables winning strike rate like in Aus…. I thought it was pretty poor overall. Expand Well you thought wrong. Perhaps you should check the stats and facts first before commenting. A strike rate better than 1 win for every 5 starts at an average of 22%. No trainer in the top 10 in Victoria has a better strike rate. race location starts 1st 2nd 3rd win % place% prize Money p.o.t VIC - Metro 34 5 1 3 14% 26% $1,075,125 41.2% VIC - Country 26 8 4 6 30% 69% $379,630 43.6% 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 29/01/2025 at 12:31 AM, Chief Stipe said: Well you thought wrong. Perhaps you should check the stats and facts first before commenting. A strike rate better than 1 win for every 5 starts at an average of 22%. No trainer in the top 10 in Victoria has a better strike rate. race location starts 1st 2nd 3rd win % place% prize Money p.o.t VIC - Metro 34 5 1 3 14% 26% $1,075,125 41.2% VIC - Country 26 8 4 6 30% 69% $379,630 43.6% Expand Sadly Chief you seem to be promoting constant negativity' and knocking cos this type of nonsense seems to be increasing . Maybe check the 'basic rules' of BGP , they promote respecting others and not dissing people off ! Yet you seem to lock and chase away Thomass who I find quite 'amusing' ...at times ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 28/01/2025 at 3:12 PM, curious said: It certainly goes back a long way without a problem since training partnerships became a thing. I remember for example, the Chris Waller/Heather Weller partnership operating successfully at Foxton when Chris first moved to Sydney. Expand That must have been over 20 years ago.....this is now ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 On 29/01/2025 at 1:31 AM, TAB For Ever said: Sadly Chief you seem to be promoting constant negativity' and knocking cos this type of nonsense seems to be increasing . Expand How was posting the accurate stats and essentially correcting misinformation posted by @Newmarket "constant negativity"? On 29/01/2025 at 1:31 AM, TAB For Ever said: Maybe check the 'basic rules' of BGP , they promote respecting others and not dissing people off ! Expand WTF are you on about? What is wrong with questioning the sustainability of the TAB promotions? Particularly in terms of customer retention. On 29/01/2025 at 1:31 AM, TAB For Ever said: Yet you seem to lock and chase away Thomass who I find quite 'amusing' ...at times ! Expand I gather you have no idea what his innuendo about Greek was? Therein lies another innuendo. @Thomass just repeats the topics he has been rolling out for decades. Gets boring and repetivie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 On 29/01/2025 at 1:43 AM, TAB For Ever said: That must have been over 20 years ago.....this is now ! Expand Why are you being so negative? @curious posted that Waller was working remotely successfully 20 years ago. I lot easier to do it today with modern technology. I've seen videos being done of trackwork, followed up by vet report and a video of a horse cool down post work sent to a remote trainer seconds after being taken. I've even seen a video call where the trainer from a long distance away is in a conversation with an assistant trainer at the track. Get with the programme @TAB For Ever !!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 29/01/2025 at 2:18 AM, Chief Stipe said: How was posting the accurate stats and essentially correcting misinformation posted by @Newmarket "constant negativity"? WTF are you on about? What is wrong with questioning the sustainability of the TAB promotions? Particularly in terms of customer retention. I gather you have no idea what his innuendo about Greek was? Therein lies another innuendo. @Thomass just repeats the topics he has been rolling out for decades. Gets boring and repetivie. Expand Humble apologies...my cost accountant training didnt require English and I skipped words to make my point and it came out all wrong. It should be.... 1. This Newmarket is now thriving on Negativity and merely criticising things he knows little about ,and I did give you a Champion post tick for that.re Mark Walker.......clearly he not letting the facts get in the way of a good story. 2. BGP getting too big for part-time administration ,so clearly it a good fit to partner with BGP on their BIG events for the year as it a perfect fit......The TAB wants to push oncourse attendance and on course experience , the TAB wants to introduce new young folk to Racing [ Next Gen the word everywhere ] and obviously to future proof the sport and wagering into the future. The TAB and Club now handle the money etc etc. 3. As to Trans Tasman stables , the Waller was well over 20 years ago and he was little known and only a few horses were involved. Walker is high profile and as the move is talked about as 'permanent' IMO Racing may not want a top trainer living in a different country . The brakes ,I believe , were put on a fellow well known Matamata trainer recently in this regard. Yes , I see the videos and voiceovers from some stables currently. Even Gai Waterhouse had a NZ stable at one stage ,I seem to remember....but like Waller that must have been 20 years ago...this is now ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 29/01/2025 at 12:31 AM, Chief Stipe said: Well you thought wrong. Perhaps you should check the stats and facts first before commenting. A strike rate better than 1 win for every 5 starts at an average of 22%. No trainer in the top 10 in Victoria has a better strike rate. race location starts 1st 2nd 3rd win % place% prize Money p.o.t VIC - Metro 34 5 1 3 14% 26% $1,075,125 41.2% VIC - Country 26 8 4 6 30% 69% $379,630 43.6% Expand Fair enough, take it back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 29/01/2025 at 2:18 AM, Chief Stipe said: How was posting the accurate stats and essentially correcting misinformation posted by @Newmarket "constant negativity"? WTF are you on about? What is wrong with questioning the sustainability of the TAB promotions? Particularly in terms of customer retention. I gather you have no idea what his innuendo about Greek was? Therein lies another innuendo. @Thomass just repeats the topics he has been rolling out for decades. Gets boring and repetivie. Expand Oh cmon @Chief Stipe we're all adults here! Well most are... It's spelt greek not Greek..I'd have thought you'd known that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 29/01/2025 at 12:31 AM, Chief Stipe said: Well you thought wrong. Perhaps you should check the stats and facts first before commenting. A strike rate better than 1 win for every 5 starts at an average of 22%. No trainer in the top 10 in Victoria has a better strike rate. race location starts 1st 2nd 3rd win % place% prize Money p.o.t VIC - Metro 34 5 1 3 14% 26% $1,075,125 41.2% VIC - Country 26 8 4 6 30% 69% $379,630 43.6% Expand Yes I thought they would have done well in Aus especially Vic they have had some good results Imperatriz, Ballatrix Star, Quintessa & San Doubte all doing well. They have bought some nice horses should enable them to be more than competitive over there, looking forward to watching it unfold , Aus is the right place for the quality of animal they are investing in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 29/01/2025 at 2:58 AM, TAB For Ever said: Walker is high profile and as the move is talked about as 'permanent' IMO Racing may not want a top trainer living in a different country . The brakes ,I believe , were put on a fellow well known Matamata trainer recently in this regard. Expand Michael Moroney has had Ballymore Stables at Flemington for more than 20 years , but I see he pop's up in NZ where he started out quite often too. He must be dual country licensed ? or have they taken his original NZ one off him now? bit tough if they did. ? Waller has a QLD based Stable , and doesn't see the horses there much at all , and probably trains via Video link I imagine. I guess it's nice that Pam Gerard doing well , and Savaglee getting heaps including the Kiwi coming up 😉, but I feel sorry for Michael , as he probably commuted fairly often , could do Video link training like Waller, and probably has bucketloads of faithful owners he trained for over the years that he liked preparing horses for in NZ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 On 29/01/2025 at 3:56 AM, Gammalite said: guess it's nice that Pam Gerard doing well , and Savaglee getting heaps including the Kiwi coming up 😉, but I feel sorry for Michael , as he probably commuted fairly often , could do Video link training like Waller, and probably has bucketloads of faithful owners he trained for over the years that he liked preparing horses for in NZ. Expand I've actually had the opportunity to speak with Pam Gerard a few times in recent weeks. Very approachable and a hard worker. Does very well with a limited number of cattle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Yes, the Ballymore example is a more recent one as are the ex state stables in Oz such as Waller in Queensland and those are run by assistant trainers, not co-trainers as is proposed here. In NZ, the likes of Walker and Marsh have had satellite stables in the SI also headed by assistant trainers. I don't see the problem nor that one is likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 With this setup for 70 horses it shouldn't take long to really make a mark. As many stalls as at Matamata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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