curious Posted Sunday at 04:09 AM Share Posted Sunday at 04:09 AM 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: It's unenforceable. The Jockey should have changed hands. Why? And how would changing hands help? 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Anyway is it any worse than being 8 lengths in front and whipping your horse? On the flank I might add. That being Pivotal Ten of course. Two strikes inside the 200 and clearly on the rump. Try specsavers! The horse is still learning. She's trying to teach it to get to the line, what the whip means, and to make sure she got something out of the gallop when there was nothing to push her which there may be next time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Sunday at 04:26 AM Share Posted Sunday at 04:26 AM 6 hours ago, curious said: He might well do. On the other hand, he gives credit where it is due: Southland Racing Club, you blew me away yesterday with your hospitality, a great day had by all. I’m going to be honest here in saying that I was shocked at how much the facilities have improved since I was there 30 years ago when winning a 2 year old race with Oakfields (Mandy Brown) and when Stokesy (Michael Stokes) and Chris Rowe won the stakes race with Simon Snorkel. Arriving late morning yesterday we found that the old members stand had grown another 2 floors, glass fronted, looking out over 120 acres containing 6 tracks for harness, greyhounds and thoroughbred turf. With only 2 track staff managing it, sheep grazing in the background for added income, another great example of how the southern clubs are so successful. 6 Thoroughbred meetings a year (Wairio one of them), 20 trot meetings and something like 40 greyhound meetings. As a graduate in economics, this club, this track consortium, would have to be the best example of what we should be doing at other city clubs in NZ. Again .. thanks so much to Sean Bellew (President) and all of the other amazing committee team. But did you notice how much of it was blowing his own ego? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Sunday at 04:30 AM Share Posted Sunday at 04:30 AM 18 minutes ago, curious said: Two strikes inside the 200 and clearly on the rump. Try specsavers! The horse is still learning. She's trying to teach it to get to the line, what the whip means, and to make sure she got something out of the gallop when there was nothing to push her which there may be next time. Really so you need to whip a horse to teach it that? So much for you being anti-whip and not wanting them at all. Rump or flank hard to tell from that photo even when you blow it up. Another reason the rule is unenforceable. I'm disappointed @curious you never struck me as one rule for some and one rule for others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Sunday at 04:31 AM Share Posted Sunday at 04:31 AM 21 minutes ago, curious said: Why? And how would changing hands help? Then you or the Stipes wouldn't see where the whip struck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Sunday at 05:02 AM Share Posted Sunday at 05:02 AM 23 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Then you or the Stipes wouldn't see where the whip struck. I wouldn't but don't they drive round on the inside of the track and have video from there for that purpose? We already discussed a case of CWJ on a horse of mine where he admitted a charge for consecutive strikes. I couldn't see that from the available vision either but the stipes did and he was convinced by the evidence. How on earth do you think that the other signatories to the IFHA guidelines (Australia; Britain; France; Germany) enforce it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Sunday at 05:10 AM Share Posted Sunday at 05:10 AM 3 minutes ago, curious said: I wouldn't but don't they drive round on the inside of the track and have video from there for that purpose? Geez @curious apart from the signage being in the way AND the running rail they don't actually drive alongside the leading horses!!! 5 minutes ago, curious said: How on earth do you think that the other signatories to the IFHA guidelines (Australia; Britain; France; Germany) enforce it? They can't. It's just a token attempt at appeasing who knows who. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Sunday at 05:16 AM Share Posted Sunday at 05:16 AM @curious are you able to lost the extensive research showing the flank is significantly more sensitive than the rest of a horses body? Or is it all based on anecdotal observational reports from trainers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Sunday at 05:20 AM Share Posted Sunday at 05:20 AM 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: @curious are you able to lost the extensive research showing the flank is significantly more sensitive than the rest of a horses body? Or is it all based on anecdotal observational reports from trainers? If I were Colin you'd expect me to google it myself wouldn't you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Sunday at 05:23 AM Share Posted Sunday at 05:23 AM 2 minutes ago, curious said: If I were Colin you'd expect me to google it myself wouldn't you? No because I know you will have it at hand. I'd be disappointed if you didn't since you are such a strong advocate for the rule. I'm looking forward to the new Trackside graphic that puts a red overlay on the horse designating where the flank is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted Sunday at 05:27 AM Share Posted Sunday at 05:27 AM 9 hours ago, SLB2.0 said: Nothing good comes by going to Trentham unless you want to post an incorrect time. Looks to be a nice type in the making. Beating arguably nothing, but winning by 8 lengths negates that. When is the last time a South Island-trained runner went to Aus and had success? Maybe Baghdad Note. Then the very next year Igloo ! Both these horses were from Otago stables quite close to each other , along with the jockey too ! A bit more recently 'young' Hecky Anderton took a few horses to Aussie and won races in Victoria , at least a listed race with Native Monarch. Also a Group race with The Jewel for Dennis Brothers , plus two placings in Group 1 Oaks/ Derby in Queensland. All above from the same Wingatui 'block'. Hecky is Grandad of the promising apprentice doing well in Victoria ...Taylah Kennedy ! Her other Grandad Mouse Kennedy was private trainer at one time for Joe Brown who took Reformed over to the Melbourne Cup and ran third...to a Christchurch horse Dalray. A bit of history for ya ,Sunline ...also the odd good golfer from down south...John Lister and Greg Turner for eg ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Sunday at 05:29 AM Share Posted Sunday at 05:29 AM So, are you suggesting that this doesn't cause any pain? yr8rb8pn-1414466088-1.avif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted Sunday at 05:53 AM Share Posted Sunday at 05:53 AM (edited) 26 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: Maybe Baghdad Note. Then the very next year Igloo ! Both these horses were from Otago stables quite close to each other , along with the jockey too ! A bit more recently 'young' Hecky Anderton took a few horses to Aussie and won races in Victoria , at least a listed race with Native Monarch. Also a Group race with The Jewel for Dennis Brothers , plus two placings in Group 1 Oaks/ Derby in Queensland. All above from the same Wingatui 'block'. Hecky is Grandad of the promising apprentice doing well in Victoria ...Taylah Kennedy ! Her other Grandad Mouse Kennedy was private trainer at one time for Joe Brown who took Reformed over to the Melbourne Cup and ran third...to a Christchurch horse Dalray. A bit of history for ya ,Sunline ...also the odd good golfer from down south...John Lister and Greg Turner for eg ! I'm pretty sure LBJ had success in Australia. Was one a deadheat? And southern jumpers have done well. Bell Flight from memory. And Kelvin Tyler has had some wins over there more recently. Palmetto, the Southland Guineas winner, has been very competitive over there and I'm sure last year's Guineas winner will get one soon. Canterbury Belle of course. Edited Sunday at 05:54 AM by Doomed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Sunday at 06:30 AM Share Posted Sunday at 06:30 AM 1 hour ago, curious said: So, are you suggesting that this doesn't cause any pain? But how much pain? Horses experience pain racing. All relative but you're as bad as @Thomass with your selctive imagery. That particular image is clearly doctored and has been on activist anti-racing websites for years. It was taken by Liss Ralston in 2015 and put across the internet by PETA It is very very dubious. PETA's main aim is to end ALL animal racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Sunday at 06:58 AM Share Posted Sunday at 06:58 AM @curious what race was that picture taken in and who was the jockey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Sunday at 07:15 AM Share Posted Sunday at 07:15 AM @curious is the file you uploaded the McGreevy paper? I have already read it and it is flawed in many respects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Sunday at 07:31 AM Share Posted Sunday at 07:31 AM 13 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: @curious is the file you uploaded the McGreevy paper? I have already read it and it is flawed in many respects. I didn't think I uploaded any file. Which McGreevy paper do you mean? There are quite a few in relation to whips and racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Sunday at 07:40 AM Share Posted Sunday at 07:40 AM Regardless I'm pretty sure that PETA picture is doctored. Which doesn't surprise given their record. Anyway I agree with you we need whips for race day training purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB2.0 Posted Sunday at 09:29 AM Share Posted Sunday at 09:29 AM 4 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: A bit of history for ya ,Sunline ...also the odd good golfer from down south...John Lister and Greg Turner for eg ! Speaking of southern golfers - Cooper Moore is our next young star. He should target LIV and get a big pay day because making money on the PGA Tour is nearly impossible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzenza365 Posted Monday at 12:59 AM Share Posted Monday at 12:59 AM 19 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: Maybe Baghdad Note. Then the very next year Igloo ! Both these horses were from Otago stables quite close to each other , along with the jockey too ! A bit more recently 'young' Hecky Anderton took a few horses to Aussie and won races in Victoria , at least a listed race with Native Monarch. Also a Group race with The Jewel for Dennis Brothers , plus two placings in Group 1 Oaks/ Derby in Queensland. All above from the same Wingatui 'block'. Hecky is Grandad of the promising apprentice doing well in Victoria ...Taylah Kennedy ! Her other Grandad Mouse Kennedy was private trainer at one time for Joe Brown who took Reformed over to the Melbourne Cup and ran third...to a Christchurch horse Dalray. A bit of history for ya ,Sunline ...also the odd good golfer from down south...John Lister and Greg Turner for eg ! Don't forget Sir Bob Charles and Just Tommy won at Randwick and TAB I think it is Jaylah Kennedy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldilocks Posted Monday at 01:14 AM Share Posted Monday at 01:14 AM Doomed, Another southern jumper that did well in Australia was Derrydonnell who won a Grand National for Mouse Kennedy, both him and Bell Flight were ridden by Nick Harnett who shifted to Victoria soon after. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted Monday at 01:56 AM Share Posted Monday at 01:56 AM 56 minutes ago, muzenza365 said: Don't forget Sir Bob Charles and Just Tommy won at Randwick and TAB I think it is Jaylah Kennedy Bob Charles was born and grew up in the Wairarapa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted Monday at 04:36 AM Share Posted Monday at 04:36 AM On 2/16/2025 at 1:25 PM, Chief Stipe said: Which begs the question why didn't any trainers or other owners raise objections earlier? Why did other people not raise objections? I can't answer for someone else but, I have seen correspondence by trainers on this very subject, ignored. It always irks me why some run against their knowledge and judgememt. There is always the option of not running on the synthetics if you don't agree with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB2.0 Posted Monday at 06:07 AM Share Posted Monday at 06:07 AM Question: Nucleozor smashed Pivotal Ten earlier on and is unbeaten. Where is it now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted Monday at 08:14 AM Share Posted Monday at 08:14 AM 2 hours ago, SLB2.0 said: Question: Nucleozor smashed Pivotal Ten earlier on and is unbeaten. Where is it now? I often wonder that myself. He looked a nice type. I think he went overseas, possibly HK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Monday at 08:47 AM Share Posted Monday at 08:47 AM 33 minutes ago, Doomed said: I often wonder that myself. He looked a nice type. I think he went overseas, possibly HK. Correct exported to Hong Kong. Must have been big money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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