Brodie Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Race 8 on Friday night is a 2 year old non winners race for $15K. Entain are pumping in money by way of bonuses for racing 2 year olds for the next 3 years! Whether it is going to work and make much difference in the North is debatable, but it is Entains money to do what they want up to I suppose the $900m! Personally would not be holding my breath as it appears that there is little interest nowadays in racing 2 year olds! This seems to be majorly proven by the fact that race 8 has only 5 starters, and every horse comes from the Ray Green stable, so all the stake money is his without running the race. Where are all the other 2 year olds that are in work? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Race 8 on Friday night is a 2 year old non winners race for $15K. Entain are pumping in money by way of bonuses for racing 2 year olds for the next 3 years! Whether it is going to work and make much difference in the North is debatable, but it is Entains money to do what they want up to I suppose the $900m! Personally would not be holding my breath as it appears that there is little interest nowadays in racing 2 year olds! This seems to be majorly proven by the fact that race 8 has only 5 starters, and every horse comes from the Ray Green stable, so all the stake money is his without running the race. Where are all the other 2 year olds that are in work? You have to remember brodie ,its really $27,000 being opaid out for these 5 horse,2 year old races.,once you include the bounus. In my opinion,You ,me and anyone with half a brain can see the bonuses they are offering,on top of the stakes, are having next to no impact on the size of 2 year old fields.(As i predicted last year). Gamma may not agree with me,but its a fact that the connections of horses who won bonuses last year are mostly the same people who were influentail in pushing the bonus schemes.You can't blame those people for that,as after all its just human nature. Its the people from HRNZ who have prioritised the value of some participants over others.Thats why HRNZ policies are seen as giving preferential treatment to certain sectors of the industry and if anything,have had more of an impact by discouraging people from breeding their mares. Its a fact that the entain man must have benefitted from the $12,000 and $6,000 bonuses last year. Must have been around $100,000 he would have got in bonuses. I again would ask,what were the number of starters last year,compared with the year before. And how many mares were bred this year and last(,compared with 2 years ago),since the bonuses came in. The new ,extra $5000 bounses they have this year,will have only very limited impact as well. Sure you may get the odd trainer convincing their owners,that bought a horse at tthe sales,that if youat least pay another months,possibly two, training fees and costs,we will line up your horse up twice and earn $4000,even if you run a tailed off last both time. And hey,mr owner,its great, because i get $1000 as well for being the trainer. Yes,you have always occasionally had the odd trainer line up 2 year olds, when their manners show they aren't ready. I can think of one in particular who often does it. HrNZ seems to be expecting lots of trainers to change their thinking,and expose the fact their 2 year old that has just qualified, isn't up to racing as a 2 year old,but hey think of the bonus. Strange. Anyways,,i'm just playing the same record over again . Edited February 17 by the galah 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Do you think the Purdon stable will include a few 2yo's? Otherwise, it's hard to imagine many are bred to be 2yo's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 2 minutes ago, Special Agent said: Do you think the Purdon stable will include a few 2yo's? Otherwise, it's hard to imagine many are bred to be 2yo's. I am sure that Purdons will have some progressive 2 year olds ready to race next season for the bonus money. The problem is that there are not enough owners in the North and doubt the bonuses are enough to change it! Yes it is great that we have this positivity from the harness media and trainers and hopefully things do improve sufficiently to make harness much stronger up there! If all we get is 2 year olds fields full of Purdon, Ray Green snd Stonewall horses, then it is going to be a somewhat failure. Punters will not offload on that type of racing in my humble opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I concur. Positivity will not pay the bills. Entain talked the big game regards their ideas to lift the racing industry. If 2yo bonuses are the best they can come up with it's hardly impressive nor confidence building. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) so the media and the hrnz website are saying there is a direct link between the next gen bonuses and the higher prices for the top end horses sold at the sales. Well,maybe they are right. Maybe all those trainers who paid over $100,000 for their purchasses,actually did so because the owners will get $4000 when they have their 2nd start as a 2 year old and the trainer will get $1000. hang on,are they saying lots of owners/trainers spent over $100,000 because they thought they may get a $5,000 bonus. thats right ,they are,no that can't be right,as if it was true,then the purchasers have more money than sense. There must be more to it than that. Of course,maybe all the purchasers are thinking they will own/train the first next gen horse home in the 3 sales series races,thus earning $35,000 for the owner and $10,000 for the trainer. Yes,heres a story about one such owner on the hrnz website.It was about kimberly butt having a big spending aussie owner who says he gave her instructions to spend double what he would have, because of the next gen bonuses. He apparently spent an extra $175,000,given he spent $350,000 on 3 purchases. I get it now,that fella spent an extra $175,000 because, if everything goes to plan and he flukes having the first next gen horse home in the two races hes eligible,(since he bought 2 colts),then he can earn an extra $82,000 to cover the extra $175,000 he just spent. you know reading about what that aussie sales buyer said,reminded me of a story from last month,where a queensland man was walking to his car,when he spotted 2 kangaroos nearby.One female and one male. A neighbour decribed what then happened...the female kangaroo fled "but the other bastard turned around and attacked him". The man was airlifted to rockhampton hospital where he was in a stable condition. Strange things can happen when aussies get involved. Edited February 19 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, the galah said: hang on,are they saying lots of owners/trainers spent over $100,000 because they thought they may get a $5,000 bonus. Lol pretty much. That and blind faith stakes will continue to increase. Unless there is a major % increase in foal numbers, owners and trainers, harness is still on a downward spiral. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 33 minutes ago, Nowornever said: Lol pretty much. That and blind faith stakes will continue to increase. Unless there is a major % increase in foal numbers, owners and trainers, harness is still on a downward spiral. You missed out Punters! Without a new generation of punters coming through then there will be less turnover and less profit, therefore less money to be distributed into stakes. Therefore without enough stake money you then get less owners, less horses and trainers. I believe the TAB did major damage to the industry with the way it treated many punters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) I note the 4 races for 2 year olds Addington ran in late November are canned and funding will go elsewhere, maybe they woke up to the fact that 16 young trotters chasing 200000 is not smart, maybe they might just run for 15 grand which makes sense and chase the bigger stakes when they grow up. That was poor business sense but maybe Mr Shannon had a few prospects , hence the stakes lol. Edited February 20 by mikeynz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted 16 hours ago Author Share Posted 16 hours ago Addington Friday night has a two year old trot snd a two year old pace, both have firlds of only 5 horses racing for $15k! Terrible betting races not worth betting into and so turnover will be very low! Great for owners and terrible for the industry. The bonuses from Entain will have next to no benefit in increasing horse numbers racing at two! Mske hay while the sun shines as these bonuses will be gone in 3 years for ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Addington Friday night has a two year old trot snd a two year old pace, both have firlds of only 5 horses racing for $15k! Terrible betting races not worth betting into and so turnover will be very low! Great for owners and terrible for the industry. The bonuses from Entain will have next to no benefit in increasing horse numbers racing at two! Mske hay while the sun shines as these bonuses will be gone in 3 years for ever. No reason why they can't reduce stakes based on runners, surely 5 young ones running for 5 grand is better than trialing for nothing or simply staying at home. Plenty of times to race for more as numbers rise after winter. Edited 14 hours ago by mikeynz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westview Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago 46 minutes ago, mikeynz said: No reason why they can't reduce stakes based on runners, surely 5 young ones running for 5 grand is better than trialing for nothing or simply staying at home. Plenty of times to race for more as numbers rise after winter. As long as your reduce points at the same time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago 3 hours ago, Brodie said: Addington Friday night has a two year old trot snd a two year old pace, both have firlds of only 5 horses racing for $15k! Terrible betting races not worth betting into and so turnover will be very low! Great for owners and terrible for the industry. The bonuses from Entain will have next to no benefit in increasing horse numbers racing at two! Mske hay while the sun shines as these bonuses will be gone in 3 years for ever. Yes the turnover on those races will be terrible. I would take a 14 horse non winners field over a 5 horse 2yo field any time. Was tempted to go to Addington this week but having two 5 horse fields puts me off going as it is a waste of two hours in between those races. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago Wyndham have a $60000 race, the kindergarten stakes next week,many of they're other races are becoming very poor, the days when Baynes and Milne had good young ones going are gone, all they are doing now is benefiting Canterbury trainers, better to channel some funds into making their other races better, 6 in the Wyndham Cup, very average, even if the 2yos were racing for half they would still show up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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