Cambridge now moving to Thursdays.

[mikeynz]

Moving to Thursdays soon as it seems it's better than Tuesdays which raises one issue, why the fuck did they move in the first place ?

The draft calendar for next year is proposing moving many southern meetings to Sundays which once again raises the issue why did they move everything to Thursdays from Saturdays, I don't notice much difference in the tote pools on any days but if Saturdays are out to allow gallops their day why then have gallops pushing in on harnesses day which should be Sunday, maybe 1 gallops but no need for 2, just my thoughts.

[Brodie]

Whoever decided to race harness on a Tuesday should give themselves a slapping!

They say that harness turnover is up but bear in mind they are giving away free  money which is going to increase turnover.

I hope they are doing better and getting more punters to offload as they will need it.

we do not see fixed odds betting info but I highly doubt they are attracting enough new punters that make running many if any meetings in the North profitable.

[mikeynz]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

Whoever decided to race harness on a Tuesday should give themselves a slapping!

They say that harness turnover is up but bear in mind they are giving away free  money which is going to increase turnover.

I hope they are doing better and getting more punters to offload as they will need it.

we do not see fixed odds betting info but I highly doubt they are attracting enough new punters that make running many if any meetings in the North profitable.

Harness turnover should be up, how many Xtra days races are they running this year, it's hard to know what constitutes a good turnover but rarely does Auckland or Addington brake 10000 win pool on tote on Fridays, Southlands sort of floats around 4 to 7, but its noticeable that the expensive 2yo races get piss poor interest, yet the main Country Sunday meetings does better, simply more depth to the field, as a result more just back the tote, understandable, Wyndham 2yo race has 6 starters, five from Canterbury and the main pacers have 13 with more from Canterbury than locals, strange times south of the Waitaki these days.

Just seems weird that after the brainstorm of Cambridge Tuesdays and Southland Thursday going to complete change things again, as I said before, clutching at straws.

Edited Tuesday at 05:26 AM by mikeynz

[westbrew]

Entain/TAB are a disgrace. The idiots in Australia running Entain for starters have no idea how to run a tote as they never had one, so all they have done since they arrived is tried every trick they had in Australia to destroy the tote, as TAB Corp runs the tote in Aussie. They were not bright enough to realise when they took over NZ TAB they were running the tote. So they keep pissing away revenue introducing deals that are just a tactic in Aussie to shift betting from tote to fixed odds.

Entain in Aussie have major issues with Austrac so how exactly were they growing their aussie business? they must love it in NZ no oversight except DIA who could not organise a piss up in a brewery, so simple answer to grow the NZ business restrict the hell out of any punter that even looks like they know how to make a buck, and make money like they do in Aussie, letting it flow into their fixed odds book which they keep secret.

And the funniest thing of all is the silly old TAB let Entain totally decommission the TAB betting platform and run the business from Entains platform in Aussie, so in effect they have sold the business not outsourced it, so racing got 200 million for the TAB. If the TAB was to end the outsource deal they no longer have a system to run a betting platform on so effectively they have no business. They still own the tote which Entain is trying as hard as possible to destroy, not to mention they have allowed Entain to export all of the TABs customers data to Entain Aussie so when Entain UK get a casino license they can use the data to move the younger TAB customers over to casino gambling. And even funnier, Entain Based In Brisbane, and suddenly CEO of HRNZ from Brisbane, CEO of RIB from Brisbane, and CEO of TRNZ an Aussie..............There you go had my rant for the day.  

[mikeynz]

1 hour ago, westbrew said:

Entain/TAB are a disgrace. The idiots in Australia running Entain for starters have no idea how to run a tote as they never had one, so all they have done since they arrived is tried every trick they had in Australia to destroy the tote, as TAB Corp runs the tote in Aussie. They were not bright enough to realise when they took over NZ TAB they were running the tote. So they keep pissing away revenue introducing deals that are just a tactic in Aussie to shift betting from tote to fixed odds.

Entain in Aussie have major issues with Austrac so how exactly were they growing their aussie business? they must love it in NZ no oversight except DIA who could not organise a piss up in a brewery, so simple answer to grow the NZ business restrict the hell out of any punter that even looks like they know how to make a buck, and make money like they do in Aussie, letting it flow into their fixed odds book which they keep secret.

And the funniest thing of all is the silly old TAB let Entain totally decommission the TAB betting platform and run the business from Entains platform in Aussie, so in effect they have sold the business not outsourced it, so racing got 200 million for the TAB. If the TAB was to end the outsource deal they no longer have a system to run a betting platform on so effectively they have no business. They still own the tote which Entain is trying as hard as possible to destroy, not to mention they have allowed Entain to export all of the TABs customers data to Entain Aussie so when Entain UK get a casino license they can use the data to move the younger TAB customers over to casino gambling. And even funnier, Entain Based In Brisbane, and suddenly CEO of HRNZ from Brisbane, CEO of RIB from Brisbane, and CEO of TRNZ an Aussie..............There you go had my rant for the day.  

Maybe TAB should just run tote and Entain fixed odds or maybe they should have when they started, there is money running the tote, not so guaranteed with fixed odds.some of the new betting options I don't see as a improvement, place 6 was a good option, now gone.

I'm not sure if I'm correct but dosnt this Shannon guy own a few horses in NZ, in the North?

Certainly seems we are having a aussie invasion, or a Queensland one, not hard to see how Brittany Graham landed a job on trackside, must be some worried local presenters, can't be room for all.

[Chief Stipe]

6 hours ago, westbrew said:

And the funniest thing of all is the silly old TAB let Entain totally decommission the TAB betting platform and run the business from Entains platform in Aussie, so in effect they have sold the business not outsourced it, so racing got 200 million for the TAB. If the TAB was to end the outsource deal they no longer have a system to run a betting platform on so effectively they have no business.

That is a bit of an  embellished interpretation of what has happened.  You forget that the TAB had already moved their fixed odd systems to the same software platform that ENTAIN owned and they were in the process of moving the Tote.  The reality was that TABNZ were already hooked into a very expensive software contract stitched up by Allen, George and continued by Mackenzie who didn't have the balls to bail out of it.  Remember the period where TABNZ was insolvent?  Primarily this was because of the systems software contract and the broadcasting setup.

ENTAIN owning the software gave TABNZ a way out.  It was a good business call for TABNZ.  However we don't know what agreement TABNZ now have if ENTAIN decide to pull the pin before the 25 years it out.  I'm not sure TABNZ are that stupid to have not negotiated terms to continue to have a license to the software if the partnership is terminated.  

TABNZ are not and should never be in the business of developing wagering software be it fixed odds or tote for racing and sports.  They once had to because there wasn't any alternative when last century they started the TAB.  They sure got a return out of the Jetbet system they developed but the world moved quicker than they were able to innovate.

[Chief Stipe]

6 hours ago, westbrew said:

Entain in Aussie have major issues with Austrac so how exactly were they growing their aussie business?

It isn't as bad as some uninformed commentators are making out.  AUSTRAC has a list of victims that have done far worse than ENTAIN.

[Nowornever]

7 hours ago, westbrew said:

Entain/TAB are a disgrace. The idiots in Australia running Entain for starters have no idea how to run a tote as they never had one, so all they have done since they arrived is tried every trick they had in Australia to destroy the tote, as TAB Corp runs the tote in Aussie. They were not bright enough to realise when they took over NZ TAB they were running the tote. So they keep pissing away revenue introducing deals that are just a tactic in Aussie to shift betting from tote to fixed odds.

Entain in Aussie have major issues with Austrac so how exactly were they growing their aussie business? they must love it in NZ no oversight except DIA who could not organise a piss up in a brewery, so simple answer to grow the NZ business restrict the hell out of any punter that even looks like they know how to make a buck, and make money like they do in Aussie, letting it flow into their fixed odds book which they keep secret.

And the funniest thing of all is the silly old TAB let Entain totally decommission the TAB betting platform and run the business from Entains platform in Aussie, so in effect they have sold the business not outsourced it, so racing got 200 million for the TAB. If the TAB was to end the outsource deal they no longer have a system to run a betting platform on so effectively they have no business. They still own the tote which Entain is trying as hard as possible to destroy, not to mention they have allowed Entain to export all of the TABs customers data to Entain Aussie so when Entain UK get a casino license they can use the data to move the younger TAB customers over to casino gambling. And even funnier, Entain Based In Brisbane, and suddenly CEO of HRNZ from Brisbane, CEO of RIB from Brisbane, and CEO of TRNZ an Aussie..............There you go had my rant for the day.  

Hit the nail on the head with those comments. I know several punters who have been restricted recently and another couple who got taken off the elite program because the Entain risk department determined they were a risk to keep them on there.

[Gammalite]

6 hours ago, mikeynz said:

I'm not sure if I'm correct but dosnt this Shannon guy own a few horses in NZ, in the North?

Owns 17 at Big Barrys. Owns 'Merlin' Mikey. The current holder of the Race by Grins Title. about to lose it though in a week or so.

8 hours ago, westbrew said:

Entain Based In Brisbane, and suddenly CEO of HRNZ from Brisbane, CEO of RIB from Brisbane, and CEO of TRNZ an Aussie..............There you go had my rant for the day.  

It's because we run a thriving business , and are trying to expand that knowledge onto all the kiwi's so they don't miss out over there.  Sent Natalie along for a Decade when Blacks A Fake retired to show them how to drive well in races there. And now you've scored our lovely Brittany Graham for a while too. ( think she will hate the cold though and soon be back home with all us ex-pats in the QLD sunshine lol) 

But don't lose faith guys . The Racing !!! . The racing is through the ceiling Quality with the good stake money supplied by owner/ slot holders to the brilliant slot races. You got to see JUST BELIEVE and KEAYANG ZAHARA live , destroy the best in the land. and Swayzee swish off with some NZ Cups . ( 3 after this year ? 😋 ) 

The BETCHA race has seen the kiwis hold the Aussie Invasion at bay for the first 3 years . ( Self Assured, Copy That and Merlin ) but that is sadly about to come to a Crashing End when The 'DON' and Qlder 'LARRY' arrive to perform the 'Coup de Grace ' on NZ's last frontier BIG race next week .

Did Oz win the Derby too ? KEAYANG Zahara took the trotting one last year , but Cullen got the Pacing one. Could of been the last NZ win in that too for a while too . (Emma Stewart has a Superstar 3 year old that will crush the Velocity and NZ Derby later on ) 

[Brodie]

8 hours ago, westbrew said:

Entain/TAB are a disgrace. The idiots in Australia running Entain for starters have no idea how to run a tote as they never had one, so all they have done since they arrived is tried every trick they had in Australia to destroy the tote, as TAB Corp runs the tote in Aussie. They were not bright enough to realise when they took over NZ TAB they were running the tote. So they keep pissing away revenue introducing deals that are just a tactic in Aussie to shift betting from tote to fixed odds.

Entain in Aussie have major issues with Austrac so how exactly were they growing their aussie business? they must love it in NZ no oversight except DIA who could not organise a piss up in a brewery, so simple answer to grow the NZ business restrict the hell out of any punter that even looks like they know how to make a buck, and make money like they do in Aussie, letting it flow into their fixed odds book which they keep secret.

And the funniest thing of all is the silly old TAB let Entain totally decommission the TAB betting platform and run the business from Entains platform in Aussie, so in effect they have sold the business not outsourced it, so racing got 200 million for the TAB. If the TAB was to end the outsource deal they no longer have a system to run a betting platform on so effectively they have no business. They still own the tote which Entain is trying as hard as possible to destroy, not to mention they have allowed Entain to export all of the TABs customers data to Entain Aussie so when Entain UK get a casino license they can use the data to move the younger TAB customers over to casino gambling. And even funnier, Entain Based In Brisbane, and suddenly CEO of HRNZ from Brisbane, CEO of RIB from Brisbane, and CEO of TRNZ an Aussie..............There you go had my rant for the day.  

Not sure that they want everyone betting with fixed odds?

I do personally believe that Entain didnt want the NZ TAB for racing, despite what the ones that work for the TAB try to make us believe.

The big amount promised McAnulty to go into racing was just a bribe and the NZ TAB and McAnulty and co. Should not have sold out for 25 years.

They will continue to pump money into racing but once the promised money is done they will drop it like a lead balloon and things will be on the slide.

as I have stated several times there have been so many stupid decisions made that can not give anyone confidence that we are going to be going forward in the future.

The fact that they got rid of the NZ staff so quickly and employed the incompetent Racing and Sports from Australia just shows that they have not got NZ interests at heart.

You do not have to believe what I say and hope that I am wrong, but prey tell why you believe that Entain are great for our racing?

2 of their seniors are either gone or going for what reason??
 

Edited yesterday at 07:10 AM by Brodie

[westbrew]

Chief, the NZTAB bought a system and continued to pay licensing fees on that system called open bet off paddy power, who are owned by Flutter, Flutter own sportsbet in Australia who run the same open bet system. Entain did not own the software, so this was not the way out for the TAB. I agree Allen was an incompetent when it come to running a wagering business and the purchase of the flutter betting system together with a number of stupid decisions made by Bayliss before Allen arrived led to putting the TAB in a very poor situation, the Covid shutdown then made the TAB insolvent. Unlike you i have no faith in the fools who negotiated the Entain deal even having any idea about betting systems.  As for Austrac, you may be rite nothing to see here just a few bad apples pushing their money thru Entain Australia, I'm guess the NZ equivalent will give Entain NZ the once over and provide a report to the NZ Government.........as i said the DIA could not organise a piss up in a brewery, or maybe they are to busy writing up 15 online casino licenses so they do not have time to check if a global entity having problems in Australia is doing the same here.    

[Nowornever]

34 minutes ago, westbrew said:

Unlike you i have no faith in the fools who negotiated the Entain deal even having any idea about betting systems.

Interesting that one of the main fools in the Openbet negotiations ended up working for the company that owned Openbet not long after the TAB went insolvent. This was possibly the worst deal in the history of deals and it does makes you wonder how it ever got across the line and why Openbet were the best choice when clearly they were not.