Riccarton-Synthetic?

[Chief Stipe]

8 hours ago, curious said:

You'll be waiting a long time if you have horses that don't like faster tracks.

Ellerlsie Saturday - always a Soft 5 or worse now.

[curious]

4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Ellerlsie Saturday - always a Soft 5 or worse now.

True! Awapuni might end up the same?

So do you think the winter gallopers might race all summer and the summer ones all winter on the poly which is always good?

Edited Wednesday at 07:26 PM by curious

[Chief Stipe]

3 hours ago, curious said:

True! Awapuni might end up the same?

So do you think the winter gallopers might race all summer and the summer ones all winter on the poly which is always good?

I think that this is the biggest threat to NZ racing.  Turning Turf tracks into hydroponic sand/turf tracks and AWT's.  Actually it is noticeable that those who train on the Cambridge AWT perform better at Ellerslie than most.  BUT that form doesn't transfer to a Good 4 or 3 OZ turf track.

[Newmarket]

17 hours ago, Freda said:

Spot on Kenny.

And it is hard on horses from out of town, to have to race on a foreign surface.

Riccarton horses can work on it every day and become well- conditioned to the surface....which is excellent at the moment. 

Now that poly track is your fav…. that nag won well. Mind you, first time it’s been up front so about time you woke up and realised it’s a huge advantage in front. 

[Freda]

1 hour ago, Newmarket said:

Now that poly track is your fav…. that nag won well. Mind you, first time it’s been up front so about time you woke up and realised it’s a huge advantage in front. 

Don't be fucking insulting. 

He has NEVER had gate speed.  Where it came from we have no idea. Do you think I enjoy watching him flat as a tack out the back and running home honestly but from too far away?

One of his owners was buried today.  If you gave any thoughts about that, the wee guy might have had a bit of help.

[billy connolly]

55 minutes ago, Freda said:

Don't be fucking insulting. 

He has NEVER had gate speed.  Where it came from we have no idea. Do you think I enjoy watching him flat as a tack out the back and running home honestly but from too far away?

Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble
When you're perfect in every way
I can't wait to look in the mirror
Cause I get better lookin' each day

It found the speed cause it found a reasonable surface to let down. Always had a bit of ability but you've been running it on unsatisfactory turf tracks.

[Freda]

1 minute ago, billy connolly said:

Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble
When you're perfect in every way
I can't wait to look in the mirror
Cause I get better lookin' each day

It found the speed cause it found a reasonable surface to let down. Always had a bit of ability but you've been running it on unsatisfactory turf tracks.

Didn't find any last time, same track, same distance,  same rider.

Your another c##t that knows everything 

[billy connolly]

6 minutes ago, Freda said:

Your another cunt that knows everything

But I'm not alone.

[curious]

11 minutes ago, billy connolly said:

But I'm not alone.

You should be.

[Newmarket]

1 hour ago, Freda said:

Don't be fucking insulting. 

He has NEVER had gate speed.  Where it came from we have no idea. Do you think I enjoy watching him flat as a tack out the back and running home honestly but from too far away?

One of his owners was buried today.  If you gave any thoughts about that, the wee guy might have had a bit of help.

No need to swear….

Sorry to hear about owner, but not sure you can say never had gate speed, showed today. 
Some positive rides today are paying divs, easy punting on those that have good form on track, far better betting proposition than  the grass. 
 

 

[Newmarket]

Woah…..

A special lady indeed, uses an F and C word…. Mind you I suppose we hear it in parliament so it may be used regularly from now on….

[billy connolly]

39 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Woah….. No need to swear….

A special lady indeed, uses an F and C word….

She uses the Freda pseudonym here in loving memory of a half-baked trainer from yesteryear in Ms Freda White who was the ugliest most foul mouthed bitch one could ever have the misfortune to meet and who would never be granted a trainers license today.

[TAB For Ever]

1 hour ago, Newmarket said:

No need to swear….

Sorry to hear about owner, but not sure you can say never had gate speed, showed today. 
Some positive rides today are paying divs, easy punting on those that have good form on track, far better betting proposition than  the grass. 
 

 

From what I have seen , it very good racing today....very competitive !

A mixture of experienced synthetic track runners , first uppers on surface and Northern imports all showing their liking for conditions.

It so obvious !

[Newmarket]

3 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said:

From what I have seen , it very good racing today....very competitive !

A mixture of experienced synthetic track runners , first uppers on surface and Northern imports all showing their liking for conditions.

It so obvious !

Yes been a great day, think it’s brilliant for winter racing, as some trainers horses obviously thrive on it, could be pressure to run races on the poly outside winter? 
Track stats for some of those horses are really getting impressive, no way would you get those stats from grass track, the punters friend track. &nbsp
Maybe those that didn’t support the trials in April which were cancelled…  may be feeling silly.

Get those horses out of the gate, train them up, get some speed horses from nth island that have reached their mark….easy, I might take up training

 

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, billy connolly said:

She uses the Freda pseudonym here in loving memory of a half-baked trainer from yesteryear in Ms Freda White who was the ugliest most foul mouthed bitch one could ever have the misfortune to meet and who would never be granted a trainers license today.

Well that criteria would obviously extinguish your chances as well.

[curious]

20 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Well that criteria would obviously extinguish your chances as well.

What chances?

[Special Agent]

As everything goes off topic, I thought one major objection to the AWT's is the potential short term and long term damage to the horse, and that the unseen "report" was going to address this.  For all we know, repetitive working and racing on these surfaces, particularly poorly maintained ones, may be a worse animal welfare scenario than any other single action with a race horse.  Until we are enlightened by way of a much anticipated report, we are all in the dark.  One wonders the reason for delay, meanwhile south island horses have little option of track surface available.

One thing is certain, warnings were given but not heeded regarding the industry not being able to fund ongoing maintenance.  

[supporter61]

9 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

As everything goes off topic, I thought one major objection to the AWT's is the potential short term and long term damage to the horse, and that the unseen "report" was going to address this.  For all we know, repetitive working and racing on these surfaces, particularly poorly maintained ones, may be a worse animal welfare scenario than any other single action with a race horse.  Until we are enlightened by way of a much anticipated report, we are all in the dark.  One wonders the reason for delay, meanwhile south island horses have little option of track surface available.

One thing is certain, warnings were given but not heeded regarding the industry not being able to fund ongoing maintenance.  

Why are you in the dark ? Where do you think the information in regards to damage to the horses is going to come from? 

[Special Agent]

9 minutes ago, supporter61 said:

Why are you in the dark ? Where do you think the information in regards to damage to the horses is going to come from? 

Is that a serious question?

[Special Agent]

28 minutes ago, supporter61 said:

Why are you in the dark ? Where do you think the information in regards to damage to the horses is going to come from? 

NZTR conducted a synthetic track review in September 2024.  There were positive points raised but it was noted that in New Zealand there were more fractures on synthetic than turf.

An independent report was sought in November 2024 with the report due out mid-2025.

To refresh you see below:-

The review, to be led by Massey University, will involve independent world-leading experts from the Racing Surfaces Testing Laboratory, based out of The University of Kentucky.

The review will analyse all existing data as well as carry out additional testing to better understand the performance of New Zealand’s synthetic tracks.

The current stated objectives of the review are:

• Provide a concise summary of the hoof limb interaction on synthetic and turf tracks based on the published literature
• Provide a description of the synthetic tracks in New Zealand, their physical properties, the management techniques employed and the current metrics on horse use and performance

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Special Agent said:

As everything goes off topic, I thought one major objection to the AWT's is the potential short term and long term damage to the horse, and that the unseen "report" was going to address this

How is a report going to address this?  Any poorly maintained track will cause short or long term damage to a horse. 

[Chief Stipe]

54 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

Provide a concise summary of the hoof limb interaction on synthetic and turf tracks based on the published literature

Did it look at the NEW Ellerslie track?

[Special Agent]

34 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Did it look at the NEW Ellerslie track?

I don't know as I haven't seen the report.  I suppose it's not mid-2025 yet, to be fair.

[Freda]

16 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

I don't know as I haven't seen the report.  I suppose it's not mid-2025 yet, to be fair.

It seemingly has been received by NZTR.   So what else is happening to it? 

[supporter61]

2 hours ago, Special Agent said:

NZTR conducted a synthetic track review in September 2024.  There were positive points raised but it was noted that in New Zealand there were more fractures on synthetic than turf.

An independent report was sought in November 2024 with the report due out mid-2025.

To refresh you see below:-

The review, to be led by Massey University, will involve independent world-leading experts from the Racing Surfaces Testing Laboratory, based out of The University of Kentucky.

The review will analyse all existing data as well as carry out additional testing to better understand the performance of New Zealand’s synthetic tracks.

The current stated objectives of the review are:

• Provide a concise summary of the hoof limb interaction on synthetic and turf tracks based on the published literature
• Provide a description of the synthetic tracks in New Zealand, their physical properties, the management techniques employed and the current metrics on horse use and performance

That review, told those that it interestested , what they already knew. The new review will tell exactly the same . The data to comprise the review is garnered from those involved in the track , that know. So the answers and data is already out. The review just puts it in one basket.