NZ's EPIC Whip cheating on a Grand scale

[Thomass]

One could be forgiven for losing count of the number of whip cheats since the New Year....anyone wondered why Lily, Tayla and Sam Wynne have gone awol for such long periods?

It's a litany of abuse and non compliance with NZTR complicit with their limp wristed response to 'rules ok'

For example when Tayla Mitchell abused the whip rule for the 4th time in six months the Adjudicative panel (made up of ex Auckland Region Cop Superintendent  Gavin Jones no less) 'suggested' she get help from Noel Harris and the Rider Skills Panel

Nek minute she offends again, twice in one day, both 8 strikes before the 100M whence Jonesy akses  "Tayla, did you complete your course with the RSP as we advised??"

No of course she didn't, you see it wasn't compulsory because the RIB/NZTR don't really give a damn about cheating

if Tayla's bad Sam Wynne is the poster child of cheating

From her latest rap sheet 'hard talk'

"Miss Wynne is due to start a combined 13 national day suspension following today’s racing for breaching the Whip Regulations.

The system must send a clear message that repeated disregard for the Rules won’t be tolerated.

The Adjudicative Committee is running out of patience for Miss Wynne to improve her whip use and finds an uplift from its previous imposed penalty of 7 days last week, to a 9-day suspension, to be appropriate in the circumstances of this breach."

What they failed to mention is Wynne rarely moves from the South and this 'land of hard knocks' penalty only includes @4 days of Sth island racing.  Instead of being hard and fining her the 'required 50% of her fee in a Black type race, $75, they let her off!!!

I'm not down on females only though

Take Brett Murray when winning on Pitty's ALMANAC last month...8 strikes before the 100M when 5 allowed...and close to the line 2 cumulative to get the job done by a neck...would've have been DQ'd in enlightened countries like Britain and France...

Here the owners get to keep their ill gotten gains and of course the 'punt' money...who knows, are these 'punters' telling jockeys beat the hell out of it and we'll look after you??

Also, because Big Dave started crying to Oatham about Opee being rubbed out over Karaka weekend, they now split cumulative and the number allowed for aggravated penalties

EXPEDIENCE personified right there, no wonder then the EPIC cheating continues on while NZTR/RIB ignores INTEGRITY

 

 

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, Thomass said:

One could be forgiven for losing count of the number of whip cheats since the New Year....anyone wondered why Lily, Tayla and Sam Wynne have gone awol for such long periods?

It's a litany of abuse and non compliance with NZTR complicit with their limp wristed response to 'rules ok'

For example when Tayla Mitchell abused the whip rule for the 4th time in six months the Adjudicative panel (made up of ex Auckland Region Cop Superintendent  Gavin Jones no less) 'suggested' she get help from Noel Harris and the Rider Skills Panel

Nek minute she offends again, twice in one day, both 8 strikes before the 100M whence Jonesy akses  "Tayla, did you complete your course with the RSP as we advised??"

No of course she didn't, you see it wasn't compulsory because the RIB/NZTR don't really give a damn about cheating

if Tayla's bad Sam Wynne is the poster child of cheating

From her latest rap sheet 'hard talk'

"Miss Wynne is due to start a combined 13 national day suspension following today’s racing for breaching the Whip Regulations.

The system must send a clear message that repeated disregard for the Rules won’t be tolerated.

The Adjudicative Committee is running out of patience for Miss Wynne to improve her whip use and finds an uplift from its previous imposed penalty of 7 days last week, to a 9-day suspension, to be appropriate in the circumstances of this breach."

What they failed to mention is Wynne rarely moves from the South and this 'land of hard knocks' penalty only includes @4 days of Sth island racing.  Instead of being hard and fining her the 'required 50% of her fee in a Black type race, $75, they let her off!!!

I'm not down on females only though

Take Brett Murray when winning on Pitty's ALMANAC last month...8 strikes before the 100M when 5 allowed...and close to the line 2 cumulative to get the job done by a neck...would've have been DQ'd in enlightened countries like Britain and France...

Here the owners get to keep their ill gotten gains and of course the 'punt' money...who knows, are these 'punters' telling jockeys beat the hell out of it and we'll look after you??

Also, because Big Dave started crying to Oatham about Opee being rubbed out over Karaka weekend, they now split cumulative and the number allowed for aggravated penalties

EXPEDIENCE personified right there, no wonder then the EPIC cheating continues on while NZTR/RIB ignores INTEGRITY

 

 

Com'on Thomas . You have to stop calling them Cheats.

These are PEOPLE , and they are making a living doing a very dangerous sport , and trying to get a speeding steed to the post first (or as high up as they can ) by DEMAND from the Public.

You have openly 'Picked on ' Opie Bosson on several occasions . The bloke was a champion rider but handicapped by stupid restrictions that ask Jockeys to COUNT WHIP strikes during a race ??

This is so stupid as not only in the heat of battle where inches are Important to the result , but they are supposed to know where the 100m Mark is on every track , etc while negotiating tight quarters in a race , to make a winning run at them etc. Just seems so stupid . 

ANYWAY get a whip Review Panel in place for every race . That's what they do in UK apparently.

This years Grand National winner jockey (in front of an audience of Millions) got this result . Patrick Mullins an amatuer jockey being the winner.  Eight compared to Seven whip strikes? . My goodness , doubt the horses put in a complaint .  what bloody difference does it make 🤣

Anyway Put in a WHIP REVIEW COMMITTEe old mate and get the shit sorted out that way ?

People speed knowingly (sometimes accidently)  on the road/highways everyday, and some get caught and punished. They are trying to cheat the system lol. Jockeys in a race shouldn't be called cheats. They're trying hard because it is the NATURE OF THE SPORT to do so. and a MAJOR REQUIREMENT. 

from the Grand National >>

The winning jockey was given an eight-day suspension after the Whip Review Committee found he had used his whip eight times after the final fence, when the permitted number was seven times

[Special Agent]

When they come back after these suspensions they should only be able to ride minus a whip for a few weeks.  I don't think the message is getting through to some.

[curious]

Was watching some track work of the Belmont contenders yesterday. Every exercise rider was carrying a whip. Here they claim they need them for control and guidance in a race, but rarely carry them for track work where you'd think it would be more important especially for the young and inexperienced ones.

Seems more than a bit contradictory to me.

[Special Agent]

32 minutes ago, curious said:

Was watching some track work of the Belmont contenders yesterday. Every exercise rider was carrying a whip. Here they claim they need them for control and guidance in a race, but rarely carry them for track work where you'd think it would be more important especially for the young and inexperienced ones.

Seems more than a bit contradictory to me.

I don't understand any trackwork rider who doesn't carry a whip.  Maybe exercise riders of today are taught by different methods and different mentors.

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Special Agent said:

When they come back after these suspensions they should only be able to ride minus a whip for a few weeks.  I don't think the message is getting through to some.

Maybe the rules are daft and impossible to adhere to.  Some find it hard enough to count to 10 when watching their horse let alone being the Jockey.

[Chief Stipe]

34 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

I don't understand any trackwork rider who doesn't carry a whip.  Maybe exercise riders of today are taught by different methods and different mentors.

So using a whip in training is OK but not in a race?  Isn't there some incongruity there?  Training a horse to run WITH a whip but then not whip them when the money is up? 

[Special Agent]

15 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

So using a whip in training is OK but not in a race?  Isn't there some incongruity there?  Training a horse to run WITH a whip but then not whip them when the money is up? 

That's not what I am saying at all.  I believe a whip should be carried/used both in training and in a race.

But if there are rules to be adhered to in a race, some effort should be made to count the whip strikes, not hit them consecutively, not lift your arm above the shoulder, and not hit the horse on the head or flank.  If you are licensed by NZTR there must be recognition of some competency.

[Chief Stipe]

21 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

But if there are rules to be adhered to in a race, some effort should be made to count the whip strikes, not hit them consecutively, not lift your arm above the shoulder, and not hit the horse on the head or flank.  If you are licensed by NZTR there must be recognition of some competency.

But who polices these policies in training?  Is it about horse welfare or the visuals for the anti-racing brigade?

[Special Agent]

1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said:

But who polices these policies in training?  Is it about horse welfare or the visuals for the anti-racing brigade?

Without looking the rule up, I'm pretty sure the rules apply to trials, jumpouts and trackwork as well.  These can be monitored by the same personnel who regulate rules on a raceday.

[Chief Stipe]

6 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

These can be monitored by the same personnel who regulate rules on a raceday.

But they're not.  The difference is some losing punters, owners and trainers believe they lost because a winning Jockey "cheated".  In reality more often than not their horse just wasn't good enough.

Not to mention that some of the whip rules are impossible to enforce without someone sitting in a bunker and rewinding continuously the HD replay watching every single horse.

[Thomass]

21 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Com'on Thomas . You have to stop calling them Cheats.

These are PEOPLE , and they are making a living doing a very dangerous sport , and trying to get a speeding steed to the post first (or as high up as they can ) by DEMAND from the Public.

You have openly 'Picked on ' Opie Bosson on several occasions . The bloke was a champion rider but handicapped by stupid restrictions that ask Jockeys to COUNT WHIP strikes during a race ??

This is so stupid as not only in the heat of battle where inches are Important to the result , but they are supposed to know where the 100m Mark is on every track , etc while negotiating tight quarters in a race , to make a winning run at them etc. Just seems so stupid . 

ANYWAY get a whip Review Panel in place for every race . That's what they do in UK apparently.

This years Grand National winner jockey (in front of an audience of Millions) got this result . Patrick Mullins an amatuer jockey being the winner.  Eight compared to Seven whip strikes? . My goodness , doubt the horses put in a complaint .  what bloody difference does it make 🤣

Anyway Put in a WHIP REVIEW COMMITTEe old mate and get the shit sorted out that way ?

People speed knowingly (sometimes accidently)  on the road/highways everyday, and some get caught and punished. They are trying to cheat the system lol. Jockeys in a race shouldn't be called cheats. They're trying hard because it is the NATURE OF THE SPORT to do so. and a MAJOR REQUIREMENT. 

from the Grand National >>

The winning jockey was given an eight-day suspension after the Whip Review Committee found he had used his whip eight times after the final fence, when the permitted number was seven times

Of course counting then having to line up the 100M pole WAS indeed ridiculous...that's what I told Darren at NZTR and they agreed to change to either 7 strikes before the 100M then only a further 3 allowed...also 6/4 split

If Jockeys cant count to 10 in total but decide to CHEAT by using 8 before the 100M imho they're doing it on purpose.

EVERY sport has rules...especially wagering sport...counting cards in Casinos gets you DQ'd and probably fitted with concrete boots on the way to Davey Jones locker

Max Verstappen ( a flawed genius) should've been Black Flagged when deliberately driving into George Russell....a highly dangerous exhibition in a fit of pig headed pique 

Another flawed genius, Opee cheated the system when swapping pee with another jockey who was probably unfit to ride after taking drugs

In Opee's last year of riding he was singled out by Australian journos for his selfish dangerous ride in a G1 there...our Adjudicators said in another charge

"Mr Bosson’s record is troubling for a senior, very experienced and prominent Rider. It has to be taken into account also, as aggravating.  He did not contend, or seek, any discount for admitting the breach and in any event, none would have been granted, as any defence would have been futile, and he did not express any remorse or contrition"

When Matthew Cameron CHEATED to G 1 glory on LICKETYSPLIT in the Sistema he said "it does look bad" then flippantly added "I do have an amazing record though"..he shat all over the integrity of Black Type and thus the Stud Book

3 Consecutive a break then 4 consec in the last 8 strides IS CHEATING

Wake the f up

[Gammalite]

24 minutes ago, Thomass said:

n Opee's last year of riding he was singled out by Australian journos for his selfish dangerous ride in a G1 there...our Adjudicators said in another charge

"Mr Bosson’s record is troubling for a senior, very experienced and prominent Rider. It has to be taken into account also, as aggravating.  He did not contend, or seek, any discount for admitting the breach and in any event, none would have been granted, as any defence would have been futile, and he did not express any remorse or contrition"

When Matthew Cameron CHEATED to G 1 glory on LICKETYSPLIT in the Sistema he said "it does look bad" then flippantly added "I do have an amazing record though"..he shat all over the integrity of Black Type and thus the Stud Book

3 Consecutive a break then 4 consec in the last 8 strides IS CHEATING

Wake the f up

I don't need to wake up thanks . I'm not in the race. I have that many whip tales i could write chapters on it.

Yes horses racing and gambling is prone to cheating as you say  . we see only a fraction of what really is happening , that is the REAL  cheating though  . we all know Fine Cotton and that sort of thing. but .........

Every race (like those Grand Tour Cyclists who gets away with things for so long) their is Deliberate Chemical enhancement of a horse's chances, and I can tell you there are a few 'Dubious tactics ' employed to get horses to the post in 'Winning Order' . you have no idea what real cheating is. Positives are being overturned by the Juggernaut stables now as they have ways (and lawyers and BS)  to cover their tracks a lot lately. 

you pick out a Single drive in Formula One as an example, BUT the bloke drives tons of races under extreme pressure (and G forces) of course you are going to calculate an error at times. or even drive angry lol 😂

Opie may have had a selfish dangerous ride you mention but i've seen Tommy Berry and Hugh Bowman (you talk experience shouldn't do it ) BUT they committed such dangerous acts at Randwick recently, their rival jockey was on the ground nearly killed and the horse they were riding was killed. It happens that way occasionally,  and sadly. 

I haven't been in races with these jockeys , nor know their attitude. but do know it is ONE of the TOUGHEST Sports gigs going. 

A few whip strikes (when horses Can't even count) makes Fuckall difference to them. they're tired anyway. 

Michael Walker deliberately over did the whip in Melbourne Cup (twice) to run a place and had $10,000 fine. It's the heat of the moment and BIG races and little races . you're gunna go for it mate. you're just not gunna sit up and start counting.  

BUT Yes you have to try and improve your technique (no matter what experience) to fit in with the current guidelines.Jumping on a chaff bag in the tuck room is a good way for the jockeys to practice. Perhaps you could join in and help them to count ??

while you're awake . 

 

[Murray Fish]

I ponder how 'wasting' plays out in any race, especially at this time of the year with at times brutally cold weather.  

How many workers who have to work out side in the winter dress as if it is summer?