Scabby Doo stole my IP!!!

[Thomass]

What gives, is nothing sacred anymore?

I put a hell of an effort in to post ugly illegal whip piks and doo doo goes and plucks them off this site!

Good question then, why was this thread shut down and my IP stolen to continue the debate elsewheres ffs?

[Trojan]

He does it all the time.  A bit short on imagination.

[Thomass]

Onya Chief

Unfortunately by closing threads down you avoid serious debate and give impetus to the competition 

Who stole my intellectual property..and we cant have that

Do far better

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, Thomass said:

Onya Chief

Unfortunately by closing threads down you avoid serious debate and give impetus to the competition 

Who stole my intellectual property..and we cant have that

Do far better

I'm not into censorship at all - the Comic Dog's site is - I've got many examples of that sent to me where posts have been deleted or refused for no other reason than who posted them i.e. no rules broken - no abuse etc. 

However I don't want BOAY to become a vehicle for the anti-racing mob as the BOAY Greyhound forum did driven by the likes of @Yankiwi.  

So a Topic where out of context snapshots of whip strikes are posted is something I don't want.  Yes debate the rules and their enforcement but snapshot photos from a TV are out of context.

For example - yes a Jockey may have hit a horse on the flank and there may well be the appearance of a welt but it isn't necessarily fact.  The picture will be a millisecond in time and yes there could well be an indentation just like when you push your finger into your arm but it is gone just as instantly or certainly isn't a visible welt when back in the birdcage.  

The Anti-racing brigade have no hesitation in taking such a photo and going "Look!!! Animal abuse..."

I know for a fact they did that with @Yankiwi 's material which was circulated to certain anti-racing Journalists.  The material was false.  The small percentage of active anti-racing types are too lazy to do it themselves.

So create rules we can't enforce and KPI metrics that we can't manage?  We shoot ourselves in the feet enough as it is.

[curious]

5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

So create rules we can't enforce and KPI metrics that we can't manage?  We shoot ourselves in the feet enough as it is.

What rules can't be enforced? You mentioned that on the closed thread about the flank rule. If you've been watching Ascot you won't see anything that comes close to a flank strike. Here it's multiple horses in most races. And they are not just momentary indentations. Go stand at the exit to the birdcage after a race for a few races next time you are there. I guarantee you'll see whip marks on the flank of a couple of horses most races.

[Chief Stipe]

35 minutes ago, curious said:

What rules can't be enforced? You mentioned that on the closed thread about the flank rule. If you've been watching Ascot you won't see anything that comes close to a flank strike. Here it's multiple horses in most races. And they are not just momentary indentations. Go stand at the exit to the birdcage after a race for a few races next time you are there. I guarantee you'll see whip marks on the flank of a couple of horses most races.

Then get your camera out and take those birdcage photo's and send them privately to the Stewards!!!  Ask for a response!  To do anything else is just feeding the active anti-racing minority!!

The rules can't effectively be enforced because the Stewards can only see one side of the horse if there are no horses outside it!  Good luck looking for where the whip lands from the head on!

 

[Chief Stipe]

@Comic Dog I HAVEN'T closed the debate down here.  My objection is the selective snap shots of TV video to depict something that may or may not have happened as described.  @nomates that isn't an accusation of Photo Shopping not that you would know what photo shopping is let alone know how to do it (how's that for "know all narcissim" for you? BTW you've been warned).

So if in the quest for more traffic you are willing to allow misinformation to be posted (selective at that as you are inconsistent in your application of YOUR rules) then go for it @Comic Dog.  Not that you have the intelligence or the nous to know what is or isn't misinformation or image manipulation.

BOAY WILL allow debate on the whip rules and their enforcement but draw the line at images being posted that are out of context.  I note that the only person to identify the alleged flank hitting was @Thomass - no one else saw it or even commented on it.

As I have said before I've drawn the line at BOAY being used for misinformation that weaponises the anti-racing brigade with it.  The Greyhound industry had individuals doing that and look where that ended up.

[Chief Stipe]

On BOAY these posters would be warned (as they should be under @Comic Dog rules) for stating things out of context and without proof.  However I guess the quest for traffic out weighs principles.  Of course BUCKY hasn't got the spine to state who he is referring to but just tells a story full of inferences.  

@Comic Dog if you are following your own rules then where is the "proof" that there are rules for some and not others?

 

[Chief Stipe]

Take this image for example what does it prove?  Nothing.  However in the context of the Topic it was posted under it infers a lot.  That's misinformation.  Of course you can't see where the other Jockey was whipping their horse because there is no vision of it even for the Stewards.  A rule that can't be accurately enforced.

[curious]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Take this image for example what does it prove?  Nothing.  However in the context of the Topic it was posted under it infers a lot.  That's misinformation.  Of course you can't see where the other Jockey was whipping their horse because there is no vision of it even for the Stewards.  A rule that can't be accurately enforced.

It proves to me that the jockey struck the horse in the flank. Is that not what you see? I don't see what the other jockey has to do with it?

Edited 5 hours ago by curious

[curious]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Then get your camera out and take those birdcage photo's and send them privately to the Stewards!!!  Ask for a response!  To do anything else is just feeding the active anti-racing minority!!

The rules can't effectively be enforced because the Stewards can only see one side of the horse if there are no horses outside it!  Good luck looking for where the whip lands from the head on!

 

There's no point sending pictures to the RIB. NZTR are responsible for the rules, penalties and their enforcement and their response is that they don't see a problem with the current rules or their enforcement. That is in response to my road show question about it last year. 

You certainly can't do that from the head on but don't the stewards have inside vision as well? If not they should organise it. How do you think other juridictions signed up to the same rules enforce them as effectively as they seem to? 

[Freda]

44 minutes ago, curious said:

There's no point sending pictures to the RIB. NZTR are responsible for the rules, penalties and their enforcement and their response is that they don't see a problem with the current rules or their enforcement. That is in response to my road show question about it last year. 

You certainly can't do that from the head on but don't the stewards have inside vision as well? If not they should organise it. How do you think other juridictions signed up to the same rules enforce them as effectively as they seem to? 

Now that is a leading question. 

[Thomass]

1 hour ago, curious said:

There's no point sending pictures to the RIB. NZTR are responsible for the rules, penalties and their enforcement and their response is that they don't see a problem with the current rules or their enforcement. That is in response to my road show question about it last year. 

You certainly can't do that from the head on but don't the stewards have inside vision as well? If not they should organise it. How do you think other juridictions signed up to the same rules enforce them as effectively as they seem to? 

Exactly!

It's the sheer hypocrisy of NZTR setting up a 'Welfare' division, signing up to "zero flank" whipping circa 2020 with the International body...then ignoring it until they were dragged kicking and screaming this year to finally adopt it

Then being found out to be virtue signalling (in cahoots with RIB) to turn a blind eye with ONE charge in 4 months where as you point out...it's OCCURRING IN EVERY RACE

This is Toni Davies winning on IMA BRAZEN ONE at Whanganui with every single strike aimed at the flank...remember there's nothing about allowing strikes on a saddle cloth if they think that's ok...besides the whip end flexes under the cloth and onto the sensitive barrel

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Thomass

[Thomass]

Just now, Thomass said:

Exactly!

It's the sheer hypocrisy of NZTR setting up a 'Welfare' division, signing up to "zero flank" whipping circa 2020 with the International body...then ignoring it until they were dragged kicking and screaming this year to finally adopt it

Then being found out to be virtue signalling (in cahoots with RIB) to turn a blind eye with ONE charge in 4 months where as you point out...it's OCCURRING IN EVERY RACE

This is Toni Davies winning on IMA BRAZEN ONE at Whanganui with every single strike aimed at the flank...remember there's nothing about allowing strikes on a saddle cloth if they think that's ok...besides the whip end flexes under the cloth and onto the sensitive barrel

 

 

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, curious said:

It proves to me that the jockey struck the horse in the flank. Is that not what you see? I don't see what the other jockey has to do with it?

The point is the other Jockey may have as well but it can't be policed.  Therefore if the rule can't be enforced evenly it is an arse.

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Thomass said:

Exactly!

It's the sheer hypocrisy of NZTR setting up a 'Welfare' division, signing up to "zero flank" whipping circa 2020 with the International body...then ignoring it until they were dragged kicking and screaming this year to finally adopt it

Then being found out to be virtue signalling (in cahoots with RIB) to turn a blind eye with ONE charge in 4 months where as you point out...it's OCCURRING IN EVERY RACE

This is Toni Davies winning on IMA BRAZEN ONE at Whanganui with every single strike aimed at the flank...remember there's nothing about allowing strikes on a saddle cloth if they think that's ok...besides the whip end flexes under the cloth and onto the sensitive barrel

 

@Thomass I've told you I don't want photos like this published as they are misleading at best.

It is a bit like slo-mo in High Definition on the Rugby field.  In real time the average viewer doesn't see anything.  Let alone the anti-racing minority who don't even watch the races because it is so appalling to their senses.

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, curious said:

You certainly can't do that from the head on but don't the stewards have inside vision as well? If not they should organise it. How do you think other juridictions signed up to the same rules enforce them as effectively as they seem to? 

Do they?  I doubt you view every race in the world let alone any inside view which very few jurisdictions do or can afford to do.

This crusade of yours only feeds the minority.

A bigger concern in my opinion is the safety of the tracks and I find it ironic that @Thomass has very little or anything to say on that subject especially his beloved Trenthan.

But then who am I other than a narcissistic know all that provides a forum where you can have an anonymous identity to express your views.

[curious]

15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

The point is the other Jockey may have as well but it can't be policed.  Therefore if the rule can't be enforced evenly it is an arse.

The other jockey did. Also quite evident on the video. That was ignored as well.

[curious]

15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

A bigger concern in my opinion is the safety of the tracks and I find it ironic that @Thomass has very little or anything to say on that subject especially his beloved Trenthan.

I quite agree with you on that. However, lesser doesn't mean not critical and you'd think NZTR could work on fixing more than one issue at a time.

[Thomass]

24 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

@Thomass I've told you I don't want photos like this published as they are misleading at best.

It is a bit like slo-mo in High Definition on the Rugby field.  In real time the average viewer doesn't see anything.  Let alone the anti-racing minority who don't even watch the races because it is so appalling to their senses.

#yeana

Take a look at the vid nasty

https://loveracing.nz/Common/SystemTemplates/Modal/Video.aspx?v=http%3a%2f%2fwww.racingreplays.co.nz%2fmedia%2f202505%2fM4_WANG_R05_310525.mp4&i=%2fCommon%2fImage.ashx%3fw%3d565%26h%3d314%26a%3d1%26o%3d1%26z%3d1%26bg%3deeeeee%26p%3dhttp%3a%2f%2fwww.racingreplays.co.nz%2fmedia%2f202505%2fM4_WANG_R05_310525.jpg&r=Race 5 - DAWN EALES-BALDWIN MEMORIAL OPN 1200&rs=1

[Chief Stipe]

11 minutes ago, curious said:

I quite agree with you on that. However, lesser doesn't mean not critical and you'd think NZTR could work on fixing more than one issue at a time.

Obviously not which I also understand.  Tracks are going to be all consuming for some time and from my perspective that's the priority rather than virtue signalling.

I'd rather have a horse with a sore arse than a stuffed leg.

[curious]

5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

I'd rather have a horse with a sore arse than a stuffed leg.

I'd rather have neither.