South Island Trainers Premiership 2025

[Murray Fish]

34 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Our stats all round are appalling. 

sadly so...  especially so if you are say trying to research wins by trainers etc (as I have mentioned before) when they first set up the horse database it was decided to only start from 88/89! when it wasn't going to be that difficult to load  in all the races/horses where there were records of! 

Talking wins and strike rates, just try and see the wins of NZ most successful ever Trainer!  a current win ratio of 20...

also, a better win rate doesn't actually mean that the owner might be paying less, as shown by perhaps the best ever trainers ratio! it didn't mean that the horse was not in work!

also, are the Tab offering odds?  and how are the wins for Team Orange, I not that last season they mentioned all the SI wins that the stable had...

[Chief Stipe]

24 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

Talking wins and strike rates, just try and see the wins of NZ most successful ever Trainer!  a current win ratio of 20...

 

Who's that?  Rogie?

[Murray Fish]

3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Who's that?  Rogie?

yip   the LR site says he has 70 in work for 13 W's, I recall the standard comparison suggested by a old school scribe that a ratio of  even ratio of w to starters was a true indication of skills..

[Chief Stipe]

25 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

also, a better win rate doesn't actually mean that the owner might be paying less, as shown by perhaps the best ever trainers ratio! it didn't mean that the horse was not in work!

 

Not a specific individual owner but that's where a lot of owners now spread the risk over a number of horses.

A friend of mine has shares in a number of horses and the good ones make up for the bad ones and overall they have an enjoyable hobby for very little cost.  Recently one of them was sold - a two win horse from 11 starts but no return for the last 7.  So a strike rate of 5.5 BUT although talented wouldn't put in on race day.  Some trainers would have played it out for another full season or even two.

[Murray Fish]

9 hours ago, TAB For Ever said:

If it's such a big problem finding a race for a horse why do they continue to keep on importing horses from the North Island ,

gee, and here is me thinking you knew all the 'rules' of things racing!  as in "the best way to improve a horses chance of winning is getting new owners!"

[Huey]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Are you still waiting for your 20 start maiden to win a race?

You wish !

[Chief Stipe]

10 minutes ago, Huey said:

You wish !

Geez 30 starts?  Is it with Rogie?

[Wandering Eyes]

Actually the South Island Premiership is a no contest at the moment

[curious]

Oops, a couple of my posts intended for here ended up in the Ascot thread.

Anyway, life time, Bart Cummings had a 13.5% win strike rate. That would do me.

[Chief Stipe]

18 minutes ago, curious said:

Anyway, life time, Bart Cummings had a 13.5% win strike rate. That would do me.

I'd aim for 15%.  Which is 6.7 strike rate?

[Huey]

7 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Geez 30 starts?  Is it with Rogie?

I only listen to you 😌 

[Chief Stipe]

55 minutes ago, Huey said:

I only listen to you 😌 

About time.

[Murray Fish]

2 hours ago, Wandering Eyes said:

Actually the South Island Premiership is a no contest at the moment

As mentioned in the lead post "not to sure were Team Orange fit in to this sort of thing?"

thanks for that

[Chief Stipe]

15 hours ago, Wandering Eyes said:

Actually the South Island Premiership is a no contest at the moment

Thinking about this table it proves those who allege Te Akau have an appalling strike rate in the South Island are well wide of the mark.  Not so much here but elsewhere. 

I'm sure there have been more winners for Te Akau in the last three weeks in the South - so their total must be getting close to 50.  Hunter Durant does a fine job down there at Riccarton and actually rides work in the mornings.

Footnote:  @Comic Dog Te Akau SI wins are now 46.

[Chief Stipe]

Interesting that this photo was published in the Riccarton Racebook.

Funny how most peceptions are biased and the statistics prove otherwise.  It wasn't that long ago that a few commentators were saying things like "I bet the South Island (Te Akau) stable is not making a cent for the owners...does anybody know how many winners they have had in the SI this year with horses trained there????"

With 46 wins in the South Island to date it would seem Te Akau's strike rate holds firm in the South as well as the north.  Statistics don't lie.

[Murray Fish]

26 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Statistics don't lie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics 

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Murray Fish said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics 

A phrase made popular by a gallivanting writer of fiction?

The number of wins and the strike rate are statisitcal facts.    Now if I said based on statistics Joe Bloggs is the best trainer ever I'm using those statistics to substantiate a subjective opinion.  

I assume to make it fair for all the hard done by South Island Trainers, who only have 650 races a year to contest, that any wins they got in the North Island shouldn't be counted.

[Murray Fish]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

The number of wins and the strike rate are statisitcal facts.

one could also add in the number of horses in stable.. hench I reckon the Trainer that would come out way in front would be the one and only Mr N Eales

 

[curious]

7 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Thinking about this table it proves those who allege Te Akau have an appalling strike rate in the South Island are well wide of the mark.  Not so much here but elsewhere. 

I'm sure there have been more winners for Te Akau in the last three weeks in the South - so their total must be getting close to 50.  Hunter Durant does a fine job down there at Riccarton and actually rides work in the mornings.

Footnote:  @Comic Dog Te Akau SI wins are now 46.

And another there today.

[curious]

12 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

one could also add in the number of horses in stable.. hench I reckon the Trainer that would come out way in front would be the one and only Mr N Eales

 

Which is why I reckon wins to individual starters would be a more useful stat.