An Open Letter from NZTR, HRNZ and the RIB

[Murray Fish]

57 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Pretty tame for @Transparency aka Wightman.  Perhaps he has too much invested now.

my thoughts as well!  now that he is running with a Whale

[Special Agent]

I find the letter a bit cryptic.  If you are not amongst those being abusive or being abused how do you know the extent or severity of the abuse?  Then there is the mention of minority of offenders.  If there are only a handful of abusers why aren't they being dealt with by those in charge?

Or, because of the scope of recipients of the letter, can the abusers not be dealt to by RIB because of non licence status?  Does it then become a case for NZ Police.

The letter seems more of an attempt to frighten rather than an action plan to me, and perhaps ineffectual.

[Murray Fish]

19 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

Does it then become a case for NZ Police.

Actually, "In New Zealand, anyone who has been harmed by something online can complain to Netsafe. This includes individuals experiencing online bullying, scams, or other harmful digital communications. Additionally, schools and parents can also contact Netsafe to report incidents or seek advice regarding online harm affecting students. "

re the coppers! odds on they would have a good laugh! and then say Seriously!!!  

20 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

I find the letter a bit cryptic.

It would have been  amusing to be a fly on  the wall while it was being composed!!

I wonder how much thought was given to "who is going to be putting their names to it!!!" rather gutless to not have any names attached!

Yet again, more shallow 'procedural politics',  par for the course for a Top Down organisation, one that is historically heading towards the sunset...

[Chief Stipe]

48 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

If you are not amongst those being abusive or being abused how do you know the extent or severity of the abuse?

Why do you need to know the extent or severity?  Isn't just enough to know that it is happening?

48 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

Then there is the mention of minority of offenders.  If there are only a handful of abusers why aren't they being dealt with by those in charge?

Perhaps they are.  Or if not this is a general warning.  Personally I see nothing particularly wrong with the Open Letter.  Some of the stuff I've seen has gone way over the top and in many cases really personal.  The irony doesn't escape me that some of those that doth protest loudly are enabling some of it.

48 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

Or, because of the scope of recipients of the letter, can the abusers not be dealt to by RIB because of non licence status?  Does it then become a case for NZ Police.

Again it comes back to the Open Letter being a general warning.  I wouldn't be surprised if recidivist offenders if licensed will be warned if they continue.  Recently there have been attacks on here against licensed person.  In one instance I spoke to the person targetted and they were OK as in their view the posts reflected more on the person who made them.  Another was raised by the authorities and I hid the posts from public view and warned the poster. 

Now if a licensed person and/or the RIB choose to go down the filing a charge path then it becomes a very expensive exercise for all.  If the person isn't licensed then the process of making a complaint to the Harmful Digital Communications Act via Netsafe can be chosen.  I've seen cases where both thresholds have been reached.  That is they have gone well past the Kevin Moreton standard.

 

[Chief Stipe]

23 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

I wonder how much thought was given to "who is going to be putting their names to it!!!" rather gutless to not have any names attached!

It was sent on behalf of the named organisations who composed it - so the buck stops with the CEO's and Board's of each organisation.  Those individuals are well known.

[Chief Stipe]

24 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

Yet again, more shallow 'procedural politics',  par for the course for a Top Down organisation, one that is historically heading towards the sunset...

I realise @Murray Fish you are as thick skinned as some of us but seriously do you condone some of the stuff you have seen written?  Sticks and Stones is your philosophy but each of these organisations have a responsibility to their licensees and staff.  Sure some of the drivers for the vitriolic responses could be removed by the agencies doing their job properly and/or being responsive to the stakeholders they represent however that is not an excuse for misbehaviour.

I've heard many stories about certain fiefdoms where stakeholders have been abused by industry employees and when complaining are met with what you called isolation, alienation and blackballing.  But the good old industry is good at going "well I better live with it and not escalate it to the authorities as I'll be unable to train".  So hopefully the Open Letter is a warning to those individuals and emboldening to those affected to do something about it.

 

[Murray Fish]

47 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

but seriously do you condone some of the stuff you have seen written?

The simple answer Chief is that I be rather cynical about most things to do with the NZ Racing Industry,  nothing can convince me that it is not a Sunset Industry, based on the ever declining disposable income of NZ Working Class!  No amount of Head Office propaganda is going to change that!  Also, the take out rates from the majority of bets on offer from the likes of TAB/ENTAIN are simple vulgar!  

enough said! Off to the Spelling paddock now for me! 

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Murray Fish said:

Also, the take out rates from the majority of bets on offer from the likes of TAB/ENTAIN are simple vulgar!  

Since when did the takeout rates change?  

Vulgar compared to what?  Lotto?  Pokies?  Casino?  Racing isn't close to half their takeouts.

BTW from what I've seen you post you have nothing to worry about from the Open Letter.

[Shab]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Vulgar compared to what?  Lotto?  Pokies?  Casino?  Racing isn't close to half their takeouts.

In terms of percentage that's only true for Lotto.

[Chief Stipe]

12 minutes ago, Shab said:

In terms of percentage that's only true for Lotto.

Nope.  What's the takeout on Pokies?

If 42% has to be returned to the community from pokies - what happens to the other 58%?

[Shab]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Nope.  What's the takeout on Pokies?

If 42% has to be returned to the community from pokies - what happens to the other 58%?

That's 42% of the proceeds from the machines not 42% of what's put in them.

[Shab]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Nope.  What's the takeout on Pokies?

RTP around 90%.

[curious]

6 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Nope.  What's the takeout on Pokies?

If 42% has to be returned to the community from pokies - what happens to the other 58%?

It goes to the operators