Te Akau secure South Island Trainers’ Premiership

[Huey]

4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Not sure what you mean "+ or -2"?  Perhaps the resident wagering expert @Newmarket can explain for you.

Simple more or less than 2 2yo G1 wins in Aus? Odds please.

[Chief Stipe]

31 minutes ago, Huey said:

Simple more or less than 2 2yo G1 wins in Aus? Odds please.

Sorry according to @Newmarket I know nothing about wagering.  Perhaps you could set the market?

[Newmarket]

Just outright wins NZ vrs Aus….. Chief always states what great horses we have racing in NZ… so even playing field.

[Newmarket]

1 minute ago, Newmarket said:

Just outright wins NZ vrs Aus….. Chief always states what great horses we have racing in NZ… so even playing field.

Aus wins last season vrs Aus wins this season

[Chief Stipe]

22 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Just outright wins NZ vrs Aus….. Chief always states what great horses we have racing in NZ… so even playing field.

Uh?  That post doesn't make sense.

[Chief Stipe]

19 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Aus wins last season vrs Aus wins this season

That's easy money.  I'll take $50 that they have more OZ wins this season.

[Huey]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

That's easy money.  I'll take $50 that they have more OZ wins this season.

G1 2yo wins in Aus by the stable set  a market for the following

1

2

3+

 

I'll tell you how much I'll have on then.

Plenty of posts on here where youre telling all and sundry how much you know about wagering and the great thing is I believe you!

 

[Chief Stipe]

10 minutes ago, Huey said:

G1 2yo wins in Aus by the stable set  a market for the following

1

2

3+

 

I'll tell you how much I'll have on then.

Plenty of posts on here where youre telling all and sundry how much you know about wagering and the great thing is I believe you!

 

Yep I don't talk in riddles such as yourself.  That aside I don't understand what you are trying to prove with "how many GRP 1 2yr old races will TA win on OZ".

Who won them all last season?  Waterhouse?  Waller?  How many horses did they buy?  Gai nearly spent more at the Magic Millions than DCE spent all year!!!!

As always your negativity overtakes sense and statistics.

[Huey]

15 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Yep I don't talk in riddles such as yourself.  That aside I don't understand what you are trying to prove with "how many GRP 1 2yr old races will TA win on OZ".

Who won them all last season?  Waterhouse?  Waller?  How many horses did they buy?  Gai nearly spent more at the Magic Millions than DCE spent all year!!!!

As always your negativity overtakes sense and statistics.

On the Avantaggia thread youre telling everyone Aus is the only place for serious owners , so surely you understand the challenge here?

Are TA buying the following to win 2yo races at Ashburton & Otaki Chief? Not a single one set for Aus 2yo glory??? These are just the MM purchases.

Lot 37 bay colt Snitzel – Toffee Tongue (Tavistock) $625,000 (draft: Bhima Thoroughbreds)

Lot 74 bay filly I Am Invincible – Villa Carlotta (Street Cry) $510,000 (draft: Segenhoe Stud)

Lot 115 bay colt I Am Invincible - Zimaretto (Anabaa) - $600,000 (draft: Yarraman Park)

Lot 134 bay filly Savabeel – Alezan (Duelled) $350,000 (draft: Westbury Stud)

Lot 170 bay filly Russian Revolution - Artistic Lass (Myboycharlie  ) $100,000 (draft: Vinery Stud)

Lot 225 chestnut colt Home Affairs – Booker (Written Tycoon) $300,000 (draft: Coolmore Stud)

Lot 265 bay filly King’s Legacy - Chit Chat (Anabaa) - $30,000 (draft: Ridgmont)

Lot 285 bay filly Star Witness – Conscious (So You Think) $120,000 (draft: Bhima Thoroughbreds)

Lot 305 bay filly Cool Aza Beel - Dancing Heather (Danzero) - $110,000 (draft: Eureka Stud)

Lot 306 bay/brown filly I Am Invincible – Danish Spy (Dane Shadow) $375,000 (draft: Yarraman Park Stud)

Lot 350 bay colt Exceed And Excel – Eleusa (Medaglia d’Oro) $240,000 (draft: Widden Stud)

Lot 395 bay/brown colt Snitzel – Festivity (I Am Invincible) $625,000 (draft: Yarraman Park)

Lot 422 bay filly Capitalist – Fromparis Withlove (Smart Missile) $80,000 (draft: Newgate Farm)

Lot 563 bay filly Home Affairs – Kings Iris (Exceed And Excel) $170,000 (draft: Coolmore Stud)

Lot 579 brown filly Zoustar – La Tigeresa (Street Cry) $440,000 (draft: Widden Stud)

Lot 610 bay filly Super Seth – Lovable (Savabeel) $110,000 (Waikato Stud)

Lot 649 bay filly Ole Kirk – Medic (Snitzel) $290,000 (draft: Newhaven Park)

Lot 788 bay filly Wootton Bassett – Pleasurable (Camelot) $360,000 (draft: Coolmore Stud)

Lot 893 bay colt Home Affairs – Sea Siren (Fastnet Rock) $650,000 (draft: Coolmore Stud)

Lot 894 bay filly Written Tycoon – Seababe (Sebring) $300,000 (draft: Yulong)

 

Stop talking nonsense and take up the challenge!

How many G1 Aus 2yo races do they win? Set the odds! 

 

[Huey]

16 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

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Who won them all last season?  Waterhouse?  Waller?  How many horses did they buy?  Gai nearly spent more at the Magic Millions than DCE spent all year!!!!

 

It's odd how you apply a different set of lenses to TA than you do to the likes of the Pitman stables and other less financially resourced stables.

Now in your eyes TA are the little guys ... LMAO! 

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Huey said:

It's odd how you apply a different set of lenses to TA than you do to the likes of the Pitman stables and other less financially resourced stables.

I think it is sad that the green envy lenses you look through blind you from any objectivity.  Now you are crying a river for @Pitman when there has been no impediment to any stable building their business the way Te Akau, Marsh or Wexford have.

Were you crying for any of the beaten brigade when Pitman won the National Trainers Premiership?

1 hour ago, Huey said:

Now in your eyes TA are the little guys ... LMAO! 

Right back at you.  But again those green lenses affect your comprehension.  Te Akau have a better strike rate than Waterhouse and Waller and spend less.  So perhaps the less financially resourced stables should take note of that.  It doesn't worry Te Akau that they don't win the NSW or Victoria Training Premierships BUT (this is the point that escapes you) just like the Riccarton stable they have invested in the Cranbourne stable to add another way of maximising returns to their syndicate members.  Go Racing do the same by spreading their horses around various trainers here and in OZ.

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, Huey said:

On the Avantaggia thread youre telling everyone Aus is the only place for serious owners , so surely you understand the challenge here?

There you go twisting what I said.  I said any serious owner would aspire to their colt or filly winning Group status in Australia.  As our top stables have proven you can take that path to winning in OZ by developing and racing your young horses in NZ.  Surely you are not suggesting that an owner should take a negative view and resign themselves to winnning a $17k maiden after two years and 19 starts in the South Island?

2 hours ago, Huey said:

Are TA buying the following to win 2yo races at Ashburton & Otaki Chief? Not a single one set for Aus 2yo glory??? These are just the MM purchases.

Did you get the office girl to do the spreadsheet for you?  Normally you are confined to one short sentence cynical drive by's!!

I answered those questions above.  

What I will add is that just like any big stable that invests in well bred yearlings Te Akau are not limiting their sights but are trying to maximise the potential of their purchases.  I realise that might be a bit to simple for you to understand.  

Who in their right mind spends $250k on a yearling and targets a $17k maiden at Ashburton?  Sure such a purchase might end up there but that was never the intention.  

Incidentally why don't you bag Marsh or Wexford?  Or even Waller or Waterhouse?  The latter has an appalling strike rate with money invested to wins.

[Huey]

17 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

I think it is sad that the green envy lenses you look through blind you from any objectivity.  Now you are crying a river for @Pitman when there has been no impediment to any stable building their business the way Te Akau, Marsh or Wexford have.

Were you crying for any of the beaten brigade when Pitman won the National Trainers Premiership?

Right back at you.  But again those green lenses affect your comprehension.  Te Akau have a better strike rate than Waterhouse and Waller and spend less.  So perhaps the less financially resourced stables should take note of that.  It doesn't worry Te Akau that they don't win the NSW or Victoria Training Premierships BUT (this is the point that escapes you) just like the Riccarton stable they have invested in the Cranbourne stable to add another way of maximising returns to their syndicate members.  Go Racing do the same by spreading their horses around various trainers here and in OZ.

You're super happy to make excuses for TA but not for others, seems odd to me , but I put it down to your status at their number 1 fanboy!

So you're now saying that TA are the best trainers in Australasia because they don't spend as much as other trainers in Australia do, but you're happy for them to do exactly that in NZ in far less of a level playing field than Aus is considering the bloodstock they purchase and race in NZ? 

It's difficult to get your head around the hypocrisy of your argument Chief. 

No green eyed monster here either btw , if they get success in Aus I'll be the first to tip my hat to them , they'll have achieved something of significance relative to the sandpit they are playing in.

[Chief Stipe]

13 minutes ago, Huey said:

You're super happy to make excuses for TA but not for others, seems odd to me , but I put it down to your status at their number 1 fanboy!

Where have I made excuses?  What's the opposite of fanboy?  Are you their No1 Hater?

13 minutes ago, Huey said:

So you're now saying that TA are the best trainers in Australasia because they don't spend as much as other trainers in Australia do, but you're happy for them to do exactly that in NZ in far less of a level playing field than Aus is considering the bloodstock they purchase and race in NZ? 

LOL the old online debating trick.  Have you been to @Transparency and @Thomass school and trained in the art of making something up, attributing it to someone and then repeating it?

Where did I say that Te Akau were the best trainers in Australasia?  The rest of your argument is illogical.

13 minutes ago, Huey said:

It's difficult to get your head around the hypocrisy of your argument Chief. 

The only hypocrisy is in your cynical mind.

13 minutes ago, Huey said:

No green eyed monster here either btw , if they get success in Aus I'll be the first to tip my hat to them , they'll have achieved something of significance relative to the sandpit they are playing in.

Oh but it's OK for @Pitman to achieve in the same sandpit?  BTW I know you rarely take those green envy lenses off but Te Akau have had considerable success in Australia.  Anyway calling NZ Racing a sandpit just about sums up your Anti-Racing sentiment.  @Comic Dog