TIME FOR CHANGE Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Has anyone seen the PHOTO FINISH for the Telegraph. Melbourne Racing has it up on the screen in 30 seconds !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 You're right of course But did you see the reason? Some b/s contractual problem with the owner of Photolynx and the TAB f me...How has the Industry not got ownership rights sorted for basics like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Diceman's Been Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I heard about this yesterday. The whole issue is down to ONE last matter that needs to be agreed to. John Allen wants his photo on the top right hand corner of every photo finish print, similar to a Post Office stamp. He believes it will bring credibility to the official photo finish. Photolynx are holding out however. They say if there has to be a stamp, it should be of the Prime Minister, who actually looks more like a horse. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 31 minutes ago, The Diceman's Been said: I heard about this yesterday. The whole issue is down to ONE last matter that needs to be agreed to. John Allen wants his photo on the top right hand corner of every photo finish print, similar to a Post Office stamp. He believes it will bring credibility to the official photo finish. Photolynx are holding out however. They say if there has to be a stamp, it should be of the Prime Minister, who actually looks more like a horse. Best post of the year! Or should that be Best Observation All Year? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 3 hours ago, TIME FOR CHANGE said: Has anyone seen the PHOTO FINISH for the Telegraph. Melbourne Racing has it up on the screen in 30 seconds !!!! it appears to be on the NZTR website where photo finishes usually are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 TFC is talking about IMMEDIATLY after the race as Australians get Not waiting 7 minutes ffs!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Thomass said: TFC is talking about IMMEDIATLY after the race as Australians get Not waiting 7 minutes ffs!! So TFC waited three days to complain that he/she didn't see the photo finish immediately? Because early this afternoon the question was if anyone had seen the photo. Clearly it has been on the website since Saturday As since it is the Judge's job to declare the winner(which was clearly a tough job in this case) I would leave it to him - I am sure the stipes had a look before divs were declared so again I am sure the result is legitimate and correct. If the speed that photo finish shots are made available is the biggest problem in NZ racing then we have f all to worry about. I am not quite sure why seeing it is so important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 50 minutes ago, Reefton said: So TFC waited three days to complain that he/she didn't see the photo finish immediately? Because early this afternoon the question was if anyone had seen the photo. Clearly it has been on the website since Saturday As since it is the Judge's job to declare the winner(which was clearly a tough job in this case) I would leave it to him - I am sure the stipes had a look before divs were declared so again I am sure the result is legitimate and correct. If the speed that photo finish shots are made available is the biggest problem in NZ racing then we have f all to worry about. I am not quite sure why seeing it is so important. If the speed that photo finish shots are made available is the biggest problem in NZ racing then we have f all to worry about. I am not quite sure why seeing it is so important. ITS A SERVICE TO PUNTERS AND STAKEHOLDERS IN THE INDUSTRY ..IF I WERE CONNECTED WITH FERRANDO I KNOW ID WANT TO SEE PROOF MY HORSE HAD BEEN BEATEN A HAIRLIP... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Weasel said: If the speed that photo finish shots are made available is the biggest problem in NZ racing then we have f all to worry about. I am not quite sure why seeing it is so important. ITS A SERVICE TO PUNTERS AND STAKEHOLDERS IN THE INDUSTRY ..IF I WERE CONNECTED WITH FERRANDO I KNOW ID WANT TO SEE PROOF MY HORSE HAD BEEN BEATEN A HAIRLIP... I think if it was a bad decision then we would have heard about it. I cannot recall too many times in history (since photo finish has been in use) that the judge has got it wrong. Getting the photo (which was soon available) did not alter the fact that Enzo's Lad just got there. Besides which the thread us titled '72 hours later' which implies the photo had not been published three days later which it clearly has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 15 minutes ago, Reefton said: I think if it was a bad decision then we would have heard about it. I cannot recall too many times in history (since photo finish has been in use) that the judge has got it wrong. Getting the photo (which was soon available) did not alter the fact that Enzo's Lad just got there. Besides which the thread us titled '72 hours later' which implies the photo had not been published three days later which it clearly has. Not the point..the point is that the photo finish to this Group 1 should have been shown on Trackside as a matter of priority as soon as practicable after the race..exceptionally close, as we all knew at the time but the photo should have been up there immediately. They do it in Australia at all metrop meetings within seconds...shouldn't be too hard, should it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 30 minutes ago, Weasel said: Not the point..the point is that the photo finish to this Group 1 should have been shown on Trackside as a matter of priority as soon as practicable after the race..exceptionally close, as we all knew at the time but the photo should have been up there immediately. They do it in Australia at all metrop meetings within seconds...shouldn't be too hard, should it? Can you explain how it would have made a difference to the result? Or even assist someone in assessing future winners. And clearly given the Judge took seven(?) minutes to declare a winner putting it up in seconds would seem to me to be impractical. I would be a bit more upset about slow trial videos (or no trial videos as in last week at Ashburton). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Reefton, I'm sorry you are still missing the point. It's not about changing the result. Showing the official photo from which the judges determines the winner gives all the stakeholders closure on the event ...whether its $1 each way on the loser in the photo or if you're a part-owner of the winner (or loser). It's not only OFFICIAL, ITS EXCITING. We can see for ourselves how close it is at the exact point of the finish. All part of the thrill of racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 54 minutes ago, Weasel said: Reefton, I'm sorry you are still missing the point. It's not about changing the result. Showing the official photo from which the judges determines the winner gives all the stakeholders closure on the event ...whether its $1 each way on the loser in the photo or if you're a part-owner of the winner (or loser). It's not only OFFICIAL, ITS EXCITING. We can see for ourselves how close it is at the exact point of the finish. All part of the thrill of racing. Exciting? To see a photo finish when the result has already been verified? I am usually too busy trying(usually unsuccessfully) to sort out the next winner The NZ Racing site has had it since probably half an hour after the event. I just cannot fathom how looking at a photo finish is exciting BUT if the Ferrando people had asked I am sure the stipes would have shown it to them. As far as anyone else desperate to see it well I guess they have the NZTR option though given how close that finish was I guess the Trackside ought to have hunted it down. Clearly your idea of excitement is different from mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 43 minutes ago, Reefton said: Exciting? To see a photo finish when the result has already been verified? I am usually too busy trying(usually unsuccessfully) to sort out the next winner The NZ Racing site has had it since probably half an hour after the event. I just cannot fathom how looking at a photo finish is exciting BUT if the Ferrando people had asked I am sure the stipes would have shown it to them. As far as anyone else desperate to see it well I guess they have the NZTR option though given how close that finish was I guess the Trackside ought to have hunted it down. Clearly your idea of excitement is different from mine Ask yourself a question: why does the production team televising Sat races in Victoria, Sydney, Queensland Adelaide and WA show the official photo within seconds of the horses flashing past the post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 9 hours ago, Weasel said: Ask yourself a question: why does the production team televising Sat races in Victoria, Sydney, Queensland Adelaide and WA show the official photo within seconds of the horses flashing past the post? Who the hell cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, Reefton said: Who the hell cares? Fair dinkum are you serious? This is a common courtesy for Punters.... And further the Judge should be fired for taking so long to make a decision Did he leave his glasses in the funny or something Unbelievable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Reefton said: Who the hell cares? Obviously the broadcasters in Oz do ...they are focused on providing a quality product to their viewers, to hold their interest (for longer), improve customer satisfaction etc... in stark contrast to Trackside who adopt your care-less and apparently churlish attitude Edited January 22, 2019 by Weasel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 But yous Fellas do realise the reason?? A contractual difference between the TAB and the photolynx operater... You may ask htf does that work? Why hasn't the industry sorted out the Intellectual Property by now ffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Thomass said: Fair dinkum are you serious? This is a common courtesy for Punters.... And further the Judge should be fired for taking so long to make a decision Did he leave his glasses in the funny or something Unbelievable Well if you know so much Thomass have a go and see how easy it is. Dick Hunt has been around a hell of a long time and to my knowledge(and I do not know him so this is not of personal interest) has never made a mistake with a call. Clearly he required several copies each one sharper than the previous. So in the scenario that you backed Enzo's Lad what would you prefer? - that he look at the first photo and declare a dead heat? Next thing you will want the Stipes to deal with a protest on the spot and within ten seconds. As far as common courtesy goes well as I have said they are quickly up on the NZTR website - look there Insofar as I am aware the photo finish operators are paid by the TAB/NZRB so not aware of nor interested in any contractual issues between them. Clearly had they put the photo up immediately on trackside it would have indicated a dead heat due to the inability of TV to get down to that level of sharpness and I can imagine the reaction to that. No wonder good people get a gutsful of your piffle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Weasel said: Obviously the broadcasters in Oz do ...they are focused on providing a quality product to their viewers, to hold their interest (for longer), improve customer satisfaction etc... in stark contrast to Trackside who adopt your care-less and apparently churlish attitude If you like history - from where I am sitting most people quickly turn their focus to the next race(and if it is TV they are watching the next might be 2 minutes away) Yes the Telegraph photo would have been of interest but(1) it was soon up on the NZTR website and (2)on a busy afternoon the Trackside Directors might have just overlooked to request it(equally you could say maybe Popplewell and the other bloke ought to have asked for it but I guess not everyone is perfect) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, Reefton said: Well if you know so much Thomass have a go and see how easy it is. Dick Hunt has been around a hell of a long time and to my knowledge(and I do not know him so this is not of personal interest) has never made a mistake with a call. Clearly he required several copies each one sharper than the previous. So in the scenario that you backed Enzo's Lad what would you prefer? - that he look at the first photo and declare a dead heat? Next thing you will want the Stipes to deal with a protest on the spot and within ten seconds. As far as common courtesy goes well as I have said they are quickly up on the NZTR website - look there Insofar as I am aware the photo finish operators are paid by the TAB/NZRB so not aware of nor interested in any contractual issues between them. Clearly had they put the photo up immediately on trackside it would have indicated a dead heat due to the inability of TV to get down to that level of sharpness and I can imagine the reaction to that. No wonder good people get a gutsful of your piffle. Get away with your nonsense I post FACTS...like outside barrier stuff And Photolynx contractual issues... Severly affecting NZ Punters enjoyment of the 'entertainment' I don't care how long Hunt's been in the job... the length of time was unforgivable Either he or Photolynx need to update their technology or hand it over to the NZRB to control the Industry's IP..and not some fly by night outfit who won't play ball btw...have you seen the pathetic pik on the NZTR site? Australians get a close up within 10 seconds... Thats called catering to a modern punting world..not some Coast like 'suk it up' and 'party it up at the barriers' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, Thomass said: Get away with your nonsense I post FACTS...like outside barrier stuff And Photolynx contractual issues... Severly affecting NZ Punters enjoyment of the 'entertainment' I don't care how long Hunt's been in the job... the length of time was unforgivable Either he or Photolynx need to update their technology or hand it over to the NZRB to control the Industry's IP..and not some fly by night outfit who won't play ball btw...have you seen the pathetic pik on the NZTR site? Australians get a close up within 10 seconds... Thats called catering to a modern punting world..not some Coast like 'suk it up' and 'party it up at the barriers' Well bugger off to Aussie if you love them that much As Muldoon said ' ....it would raise the average IQ in each country' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Diceman's Been Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I couldn't agree with you there Reefton. God help the Mozzies if he went there. The Medicare Mental Health Budget would be swallowed up in three counseling sessions. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 28 minutes ago, Reefton said: Well bugger off to Aussie if you love them that much As Muldoon said ' ....it would raise the average IQ in each country' Was that the same day he was off his clackers? "it doesn't gwive moy opponments much time either dluz it" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Thomass said: Get away with your nonsense I post FACTS...like outside barrier stuff And Photolynx contractual issues... Severly affecting NZ Punters enjoyment of the 'entertainment' I don't care how long Hunt's been in the job... the length of time was unforgivable Either he or Photolynx need to update their technology or hand it over to the NZRB to control the Industry's IP..and not some fly by night outfit who won't play ball btw...have you seen the pathetic pik on the NZTR site? Australians get a close up within 10 seconds... Thats called catering to a modern punting world..not some Coast like 'suk it up' and 'party it up at the barriers' You are quite right Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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