The sort of sensationalist garbage you can expect from SAFE

[hesi]

SAFE 

2 September at 19:00 ·

 

Five years ago today a tragedy stopped the nation.

On 14 August 2020, the Gulf Livestock 1 departed from Napier, New Zealand, bound for China with 5,867 cattle and 43 crew members on board. Nearly three weeks later on 02 September, the vessel encountered Typhoon Maysak and sank in the East China Sea.

All 5,867 cows and 41 out of 43 crew members – including two New Zealander's – were killed.

While this incident was a tragedy – it was no accident. An investigation by The Guardian uncovered that live export vessels are at least twice as likely to suffer "total loss" events from sinking or grounding compared to standard cargo vessels.

This is the reality of the live export industry.

In 2023, Aotearoa made a world-leading decision to ban live export by sea – a decision which has had a ripple effect around the globe, influencing bans in Australia, Great Britain, and Brazil.

But the New Zealand Government wants to undo the ban, putting countless animals, workers, and the environment at risk.

Which is EXACTLY why we must protect the ban on live export by sea – to prevent history from repeating itself.

[curious]

What's sensationalist about it and why post it on a racing forum?

[hesi]

"Five years ago today a tragedy stopped the nation"

It is pertinent to racing, because these are the sort of tactics they will use to attack racing

[curious]

6 hours ago, hesi said:

"Five years ago today a tragedy stopped the nation"

It is pertinent to racing, because these are the sort of tactics they will use to attack racing

I might have misread you @hesi but I thought you didn't think that public perception of racing was an issue?

[antonio]

Haha , actually the ban has widespread support , science based and will be kept in place ,the above is nothing but desperate attempts to justify it and is nothing but a pub yarn !

[hesi]

Yep, misread

[curious]

38 minutes ago, hesi said:

Yep, misread

Might have got you mixed up with @Chief Stipe 

You should have a look at your own headline for your head post though if you want sensationalist!

[Chief Stipe]

6 hours ago, curious said:

I might have misread you @hesi but I thought you didn't think that public perception of racing was an issue?

Doesn't have to be an issue unless you make it one.

[the galah]

20 hours ago, hesi said:

SAFE 

2 September at 19:00 ·

 

Five years ago today a tragedy stopped the nation.

On 14 August 2020, the Gulf Livestock 1 departed from Napier, New Zealand, bound for China with 5,867 cattle and 43 crew members on board. Nearly three weeks later on 02 September, the vessel encountered Typhoon Maysak and sank in the East China Sea.

All 5,867 cows and 41 out of 43 crew members – including two New Zealander's – were killed.

While this incident was a tragedy – it was no accident. An investigation by The Guardian uncovered that live export vessels are at least twice as likely to suffer "total loss" events from sinking or grounding compared to standard cargo vessels.

This is the reality of the live export industry.

In 2023, Aotearoa made a world-leading decision to ban live export by sea – a decision which has had a ripple effect around the globe, influencing bans in Australia, Great Britain, and Brazil.

But the New Zealand Government wants to undo the ban, putting countless animals, workers, and the environment at risk.

Which is EXACTLY why we must protect the ban on live export by sea – to prevent history from repeating itself.

i agreed with the banning of the live exports.shame they are going to allow the cows to be exported again.

Its just another example of the current government  prioritising the $ over the environment and  animal welfare issues.

I've always thought the whole dairying and to a lesser extent the cow exports is quite a tangled web of influence by people with  big money.

its not just central government, its local. Just look at the backgrounds and the connections of some of those who got postions at  ecan and those people,then allowed all the water to be taken to enable dairying on such a massive scale,knowing with it came very serious environmental issues.

the press, some years ago, had a very well researched article which delved into the links between one of nz's richest men and the people making the decisions at the likes of ecan.

 I could name several examples of men who have either themselves or through their proxies,got into positions of authority and influence on water right decisions who have had hundreds of millions of dollars riding on the dairying expansions and the taking of water.

but back to the sinking of that big ship .

it was very interesting to follow that.

the ship,with a history of mechanical, maintenace issues,sailed into a typhoon when all the other ships on the seas in that region had taken cover ,as they knew what had been forecast.Hell they had engine issues not long after they left napier.They didn't lay the total blame on the inexperienced captain ,but the guy must have been an idiot who chose to risk everything ,seemingly partly to create a good impression with the financially troubled company he was working for and to meet deadlines for the watering and feeding of the cows. Seems so crazy that someone could be that stupid. 

anyways,i say ban live cow exports.

Edited 15 hours ago by the galah

[Chief Stipe]

9 hours ago, antonio said:

Haha , actually the ban has widespread support , science based and will be kept in place ,the above is nothing but desperate attempts to justify it and is nothing but a pub yarn !

Let me guess you are Anti-Racing as well?

[curious]

7 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Doesn't have to be an issue unless you make it one.

SAFE are getting plenty of ammunition.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360815092/watch-secret-footage-brought-down-melbourne-cup-winning-trainer-darren-weir

 

 

[hesi]

The initial post was not about the rights and wrongs of live exports.

It was about the way SAFE will slant their anti towards any perceived mistreatment of animals and the potential warning that is for racing.  

1.  "Five years ago today a tragedy stopped the nation" REALLY.  The only things that I'm aware of in recent times that have stopped this nation (New Zealand), are the Melbourne Cup going back a few years, NZ winning the America's Cup the first time, and the 9/11 terrorist attack.  The live export ship sinking, does not even rate a close mention.

2.  "All 5,867 cows and 41 out of 43 crew members – including two New Zealander's – were killed."  SAFE's focus on the tragedy was that 5,687 cows lost their lives

[curious]

3 minutes ago, hesi said:

2.  "All 5,867 cows and 41 out of 43 crew members – including two New Zealander's – were killed."  SAFE's focus on the tragedy was that 5,687 cows lost their lives

Isn't that because SAFE is an animal rights/welfare charity as opposed to a human rights/welfare one?

[curious]

33 minutes ago, hesi said:

1.  "Five years ago today a tragedy stopped the nation" REALLY.  The only things that I'm aware of in recent times that have stopped this nation (New Zealand), are the Melbourne Cup going back a few years, NZ winning the America's Cup the first time, and the 9/11 terrorist attack.  

Wouldn't you include things like Covid and the Chch earthquakes. Both probably well ahead of the Melbourne and America's Cups for most I think.

[hesi]

Well Covid literally stopped a nation lol

Fair enough with Chch

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, curious said:

Wouldn't you include things like Covid and the Chch earthquakes. Both probably well ahead of the Melbourne and America's Cups for most I think.

Depends on how long you stop for.  Seems you are still in neutral.