A Valid Explanation for Shifting the NZ Oaks from Bruce Sherwin

[Chief Stipe]

 

[hesi]

Sherwin clearly states that had the local industry supported the race, then it would not have been in danger of losing its G1 status.  Parochialism at work.  You will note that if you ever point the finger at someone, there are always 3 fingers pointing back......try it

[hesi]

I see the usual garbage on the FB site.  No wonder people like Russell Warwick and Matt Ballesty won't have anything to do with such a bunch or heretics, malcontents and conspiracy theorists.  I see someone there also wants to start another site to gripe about the loss of races (temporarily it has been stated) from the CD.  If they took time to watch Weigh In, they would see the perfectly legitimate reason given for having to move the Oaks to Ellerslie and Bruce Sherwin's shot at NZ racing in not supporting the race with horses like Prowess, La Crique and Orchestral choosing not to line up

Edited 20 hours ago by hesi

[Chief Stipe]

17 minutes ago, hesi said:

I see the usual garbage on the FB site.  No wonder people like Russell Warwick and Matt Ballesty won't have anything to do with such a bunch or heretics, malcontents and conspiracy theorists.  I see someone there also wants to start another site to gripe about the loss of races (temporarily it has been stated) from the CD.  If they took time to watch Weigh In, they would see the perfectly legitimate reason given for having to move the Oaks to Ellerslie and Bruce Sherwin's shot at NZ racing in not supporting the race with horses like Prowess, La Crique and Orchestral choosing not to line up

The reason it has been shifted is to try and save the Grp1 status.  The odds are Trentham won't be up to scratch of they stayed there.  Although they are playing the game with the rules and good on them.

[hesi]

Though Bruce Sherwin was quite specific in saying one of the ways of defending a downgrade was a race conditions change, in this case venue.

And that would give it a 1 year reprieve, maybe 2.

[Huey]

But haven't they contributed to the race losing its Grp 1 status by messing with carnivals and adding slot & sales races that have made the race less relevant than it has been in the past?

[hesi]

10 minutes ago, Huey said:

But haven't they contributed to the race losing its Grp 1 status by messing with carnivals and adding slot & sales races that have made the race less relevant than it has been in the past?

I think that is a valid point

 

[Freda]

11 hours ago, Huey said:

But haven't they contributed to the race losing its Grp 1 status by messing with carnivals and adding slot & sales races that have made the race less relevant than it has been in the past?

Agree.  And the Derby ( IMO) has also been made less relevant by the same factors.

[hesi]

The Oaks will be the same day as the Avondale Guineas, the traditional lead up race to the Derby on 7 March.  If you have a high quality filly, you will more than likely target the Derby, as did Orchestral and La Crique, so not sure how this move will improve the Oaks field

[Chief Stipe]

15 hours ago, Huey said:

But haven't they contributed to the race losing its Grp 1 status by messing with carnivals and adding slot & sales races that have made the race less relevant than it has been in the past?

I don't think it is the addition of slot and sales races that have made the Oaks less relevant.  It is more the lack of regional patterns that give mulitiple pathways to the Oaks.  All roads seem to lead to the KM or Slot races and that makes it hard for horses that are not eligible for those races.  Also that bias means that most horses outside of the Waikato have to travel to pick up rating points and find suitable races.  

[Special Agent]

17 hours ago, hesi said:

Though Bruce Sherwin was quite specific in saying one of the ways of defending a downgrade was a race conditions change, in this case venue.

And that would give it a 1 year reprieve, maybe 2.

I must point out that the Patterns Committee are not always right with their decisions about changing race conditions.  The Levin Classic is a perfect example of this ... venue, distance, date ... now down to Group 2.  It might have ended up there anyway but, it would make more sense if it was still run closer to home with the people and community who set up the Bayer Classic from nothing.

[Chief Stipe]

23 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

I must point out that the Patterns Committee are not always right with their decisions about changing race conditions.  The Levin Classic is a perfect example of this ... venue, distance, date ... now down to Group 2.  It might have ended up there anyway but, it would make more sense if it was still run closer to home with the people and community who set up the Bayer Classic from nothing.

Come'on @Special Agent the people and community that created it from "nothing" had long bailed.