Mk2_Zephyr Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 GODDAM, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 43 minutes ago, Weasel said: He's been caught cheating today, has he? Really? Hmm..arrested, interviewed, released...could be re-arrested in future I guess BUT until he is tried and convicted of woteva he is NOT GUILTY. You may be right. You may be wrong. Don't jump to conclusions based on trial by media. No you don't get it......if you get caught shoplifting, and convicted, you are a thief....agreed? Guess what, this bloke has been caught cheating before you see, therefore he's a cheat...end of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Thank God you are not on the Bench! So if you had a criminal record and were arrested on suspicion of a crime but were innocent in this case, would you be OK to be convicted and sentenced just because you'd been arrested? Look up the meaning of - and origin of - the word prejudice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Unfortunately Weasel I live in the real world, not Planet Weasel, that must have some rarified air, if you cheat in my world, you'll always be labeled a cheat......it's in their DNA you see.....but you are entitled to your view as I am to mine, ok? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Rowley Mile said: Unfortunately Weasel I live in the real world, not Planet Weasel, that must have some rarified air, if you cheat in my world, you'll always be labeled a cheat......it's in their DNA you see.....but you are entitled to your view as I am to mine, ok? Yes, of course you are entitled to your view. On Planet Weasel's rarefied air, all alleged criminals are arrested, given a fair trial and are either found guilty or innocent (would love there to be a 'not proven' verdict as well, but that's another story). The presumption is of innocence until guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt ...unlike the rationale of your 'real world', RM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Weasel said: Yes, of course you are entitled to your view. On Planet Weasel's rarefied air, all alleged criminals are arrested, given a fair trial and are either found guilty or innocent (would love there to be a 'not proven' verdict as well, but that's another story). The presumption is of innocence until guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt ...unlike the rationale of your 'real world', RM. Cop this Weasel, read it and tell me DW is not a cheat......my argument is the man is a cheat, the underneath is living proof, deny it all you like, I only commented as I have followed his career with interest as we had 10 racehorse looking for a trainer in either MEL or SYD.....I've decided to do it myself, why? I lost confidence in the system in VIC when I saw what was evolving, read it and weep. Darren Weir is Australia's biggest racehorse trainer by sheer weight of numbers. Weir began training at Stawell in 1995 after working for Terry O'Sullivan. He moved to Ballarat in 2002, with just over 30 horses in work. Those numbers have swelled since. Weir currently has 614 horses listed by his name, that's not including young horses that haven't been named. He also has multiple training bases to house his horses - Ballarat, Baringhup and Warrnambool. And that's largely been due to the success he's enjoyed in recent years - Weir has won 35 Group 1 races since 2013, 24 of those victories registered in Melbourne. But he's also made headlines for falling foul of authorities. Below we list the indiscretions during Weir's training career. January 2001: Weir was suspended for eight weeks for giving false evidence in an inquiry into the late scratching of his galloper Amanda Huggenkiss at Warrnambool. The suspension came after a racetrack detective had observed Weir take Amanda Huggenkiss from the stalls about 90 minutes before the race. The racetrack detective followed Weir into the float car park where Weir placed the horse on the float before emerging from the back of the float 13 minutes later. Weir was also fined $1000 for removing the mare from the saddling paddock and for having a needle in his possession. October 2002: Weir was fined $1000 at Manangatang races after he was found to have equipment in his possession that could be used for tubing. September 2003: Weir was suspended for three months after being found guilty of stomach-tubing Kinther King at Rupanyup, in the float transporting the horse to Murtoa racecourse on August 8, 2003. May 2006: The Weir-trained Glebe Run was controversially scratched on the last day of the 2006 Warrnambool May Carnival. Stewards deemed there was a 'strong possibility' the horse had been stomach-tubed. However, all blood and urine tests from Glebe Run were clear and no action was taken against Weir. February 2008: Weir received the largest monetary penalty for breaching racing's bi-carb rules when the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board fined him $15,000. Weir pleaded guilty to sending Grey Jeune to the Murtoa races on July 14, 2007 when a pre-race blood sample showed it had an elevated TCO2 level above the allowable level of 36 millimoles per litre in plasma. Grey Jeune's referee sample showed a level of 37.1 millimoles, which narrowly exceeded the limit even when the mandatory measure of uncertainty of one millimole was applied. November 2009: Weir received a fine of $1500 after Lethal Gal was scratched from Ballarat Cup Day as a race-day inspection at Weir's stable revealed the horse was located in a nearby stable of another trainer. January 2010: The Weir-trained Time Matters was withdrawn from a Listed race at Caulfield after a routine race day-stable inspection revealed the horse had been at Jarrod McLean's Warrnambool stable. March 2011: Weir was convicted and fined $500 by the RAD Board for using abusive language towards a trackwork supervisor at Ballarat. May 2013: Weir was convicted and fined $7000 by the RAD Board after Doing Our Best returned a positive swab to Frusemide after winning a maiden race at Ballarat on February 16, 2013. November 2013: Weir was fined $2000 for a stable return breach, leading to Platelet's late scratching from the Group 1 VRC Sprint Classic (1200m) at Flemington. September 2018: Weir was fined $5000 for providing false jumpout information regarding seven horses that participated at the Ballarat jumpouts in August. December 2018: Jarrod McLean, stable foreman of Weir, was suspended for six weeks for making false statements to stewards regarding the stabling of Trap For Fools in the lead-up to the Group 3 Coongy Cup (2000m) on Caulfield Cup Day. McLean returned from suspension on January 28. January 2019: Weir stables at Ballarat and Warrnambool were raided at the break of dawn by detectives from the Sporting Integrity Intelligence Unit and members of the Racing Victoria Integrity Services team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Hard to argue with that list. Begs the question as to why he is still training in light of all the previous 'indiscretions" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Yep Pete, spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, Rowley Mile said: Yep Pete, spot on. Actually I find the list laudatory of Darren Weir. To employ so many staff from all walks of life, have so many starters, so many winners and only have a few negatives over almost 20 years training is exemplary. In fact some of the items on the list are quite petty and some just clerical errors. Making a hoo ha over a gun found and some cocaine obviously to smear Weir Racing then to not make any charges after destroying the business with a raid is just not justice. At the moment all I can see is a witch hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, The Centaur said: Actually I find the list laudatory of Darren Weir. To employ so many staff from all walks of life, have so many starters, so many winners and only have a few negatives over almost 20 years training is exemplary. In fact some of the items on the list are quite petty and some just clerical errors. Making a hoo ha over a gun found and some cocaine obviously to smear Weir Racing then to not make any charges after destroying the business with a raid is just not justice. At the moment all I can see is a witch hunt. Hell mate, animal welfare will be the straw that breaks the industry's back....believe you me. If you want to see the industry fall over, this is the issue and if you don't believe it, have a look at how this almost happened to the Greyhound industry in NSW. We need government to continue funding our industry but if this continues to happen, the house of public opinion will ensure the amount severely diminished... Any trainer caught with equipment either at his stable or vehicle or any other place of abode or business, needs to be prepared for the consequences. #EOS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 The Two clowns on the other channel or should I say sycophants championing Weir make me ill, the bloke with the tertiary qualifications especially, he should know better. Invited to his yard, oh God, state of the art technology, oh God,......listen, many years ago when I was sending poor bloody racehorses up to Singapore and KL......before I woke up to myself and got a life, I happen to sit in a seat onboard SQ and spoke with none other than a famous Olympic champion who was the first to admit to blood doping.....he told me how it worked [not illegal] and asked me if we did same with horses.......8 hours to SIN.......a fabulous, interesting conversation....when I started training in Melbourne I discussed this with my Vet, [quick search for the defibrillator] he was aghast, however, apparently, there may well have been skulduggery going on, but that was in the Wild West 80's........roll on to nowadays and the animal welfare, we have all grown up and yet the desire to have an edge, or greed that should read, is real......the latest on DW from the AGE in Melbourne.....he is refusing to answer questions regarding a video, refusing......to those of you in the DW camp, if you are innocent, why refuse to answer questions......please explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kidd Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 23 minutes ago, The Centaur said: Actually I find the list laudatory of Darren Weir. To employ so many staff from all walks of life, have so many starters, so many winners and only have a few negatives over almost 20 years training is exemplary. In fact some of the items on the list are quite petty and some just clerical errors. Making a hoo ha over a gun found and some cocaine obviously to smear Weir Racing then to not make any charges after destroying the business with a raid is just not justice. At the moment all I can see is a witch hunt. Almost every time someone flying high in the industry is raided etc, it is almost a fait accompli that two words quickly follow. "witch hunt". Certain phrases also come to mind when I hear about someone being investigated to the degree it becomes "news". "where there's smoke, there's fire". I agree that when you consider the number of horses Darren Weir is involved with, the number of offences he's been charged with is not alarmingly high. What is extremely relevant however as that the actions he has been charged with involve unlawful performance enhancing...ie cheating. You can't be a little bit pregnant. You're either pregnant or you're not. Apologies for the cliches but I've always found them reliable and in the absence of evidence at this stage, there is merit in repeating them. On a personal note. I hope these charges come to nothing. I've been astonished at Weir's magnificent record in recent years and to learn he's nothing more than a very successful cheat would destroy much of the confidence I have left in the game. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltedMilkshake Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 OK...explosive allegations have just sent social media in Melbourne into meltdown... This information comes from sources not just at the coalface....but literally in the coalface. It has been alleged that 2 significant owners have already moved on with another major player set to up sticks as well. DW has now now been called into Racing Victoria to front this afternoon. Wonder if anyone is laying odds on him doing a Smerdon....more to follow. PS: I bet there are 2 happy campers in Otaki who are breathing a little easier today. Do we know now why that horse went so well in Melbourne? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Breaking News...Racing NSW have served a show cause notice on Weir.....re why they should accept his nominations........short odds now he is a gone burger..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Rowley Mile said: The Two clowns on the other channel or should I say sycophants championing Weir make me ill, the bloke with the tertiary qualifications especially, he should know better. Invited to his yard, oh God, state of the art technology, oh God,......listen, many years ago when I was sending poor bloody racehorses up to Singapore and KL......before I woke up to myself and got a life, I happen to sit in a seat onboard SQ and spoke with none other than a famous Olympic champion who was the first to admit to blood doping.....he told me how it worked [not illegal] and asked me if we did same with horses.......8 hours to SIN.......a fabulous, interesting conversation....when I started training in Melbourne I discussed this with my Vet, [quick search for the defibrillator] he was aghast, however, apparently, there may well have been skulduggery going on, but that was in the Wild West 80's........roll on to nowadays and the animal welfare, we have all grown up and yet the desire to have an edge, or greed that should read, is real......the latest on DW from the AGE in Melbourne.....he is refusing to answer questions regarding a video, refusing......to those of you in the DW camp, if you are innocent, why refuse to answer questions......please explain. No surprise, those 2 clowns will always stick up for fellow trainers. Be surprised if it turns out good for weir this time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 and in the absence of evidence at this stage ... Ay, there's the rub. everybody wants to know everything all at once. And beacuase thats not possible, conclusions are drawn (some right, some wrong) on speculation. What are the facts? DW +2 arrested, released, no charges (yet). Charges may follow. they may be proven they may not be proven. In the meantime, innocent until proven guilty. But I fear I am repeating myself, repeating myself, repeating myself ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Weasel said: and in the absence of evidence at this stage ... Ay, there's the rub. everybody wants to know everything all at once. And beacuase thats not possible, conclusions are drawn (some right, some wrong) on speculation. What are the facts? DW +2 arrested, released, no charges (yet). Charges may follow. they may be proven they may not be proven. In the meantime, innocent until proven guilty. But I fear I am repeating myself, repeating myself, repeating myself ..... Oh Gee Weasel, NZ racing could do with someone like you, I'm sure there is a job for you in Jackson St Petone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 C'mon RM they have been investigating this thing whatever for months but can't land any charges. Seems its all a plan b scenario to justify the investigation. Tell me in plain language what Weir has done wrong. Having 3 jiggers on the place could have come from anywhere. I presume you've seen D. Weirs fingerprints on the device. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltedMilkshake Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Just reading the reactions to DKW’s troubles....and I’m thrown by the naivety of people on the forum..... obviously having grown up in Oz with a bookmaker father....nothing really shocks me about the revelations.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Gee I bit hard on my tongue as to reply Centaur, but here goes........oh no, on second thoughts, why bother...it's beyond you cobber, as sad as that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 to those of you in the DW camp, if you are innocent, why refuse to answer questions......please explain. So if you cooperate you have nothing to hide and all will be well, right? Let's say you are asked questions by the cops, having been taken in for questioning for the second time during investigation of a serious crime ... are you innocent just because you cooperate with the police?* My point is this: it doesn't matter what we glean from reports of cooperation or non-cooperation..what matters is, what are the facts? Assembling the facts takes time.And people like Newmarket and Rowley Mile want to be judge, jury and executioner in a heartbeat! As mentioned before, they may be right re Mr Weir et al... I am not defending him or 'in his camp' ..I am simply reminding everyone who would judge him to WAIT and SEE what facts are assembled and whether or not charges are laid/proved. In the meantime ...innocent until proven guilty. Assume nothing. *the case i am quoting is Arthur Allan Thomas/Crewe Murders (1970); the most cooperative man in a police investigation there ever was...gave up all he knew from Day 1 cos he had nothing to hide... and yet, a corrupt police investigation had him 'jailed for life' ..at two separate trials, before being pardoned in 1980. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, Rowley Mile said: Oh Gee Weasel, NZ racing could do with someone like you, I'm sure there is a job for you in Jackson St Petone. i have no time for the bureaucrats/buffoons in there RM ... but a crime investigation is serious stuff, so justice requires that we all wait and see if/what charges are laid, against who ...and what is proven. If proven guilty, take him/them down for all the right reasons. Just let's not get ahead of ourselves. eg 3 x jiggers found ...is DKW guilty of anything because of this? eg cocaine found ...same question eg firearm ...same question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Weasel you live in NZ, anything is possible there, you only have to look as close as the Beehive, that's living proof anything is possible, aliens discovered NZ, they never left mate.......it's the most beautiful country on Gods earth, but hell it hides some secrets, some even have a pulse.....but no brain.....eg.....the other channel......I see Dr James Herriott over there is sneaking out the back door re all this, oh well, let's see what happens, could be you are right Weasel, poor bugger might have known nada, zilch, he could be a Labour voter too....we shall soon find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, Weasel said: i have no time for the bureaucrats/buffoons in there RM ... but a crime investigation is serious stuff, so justice requires that we all wait and see if/what charges are laid, against who ...and what is proven. If proven guilty, take him/them down for all the right reasons. Just let's not get ahead of ourselves. eg 3 x jiggers found ...is DKW guilty of anything because of this? eg cocaine found ...same question eg firearm ...same question. I would be seriously worried if no firearm found. In such a large congregation of horses there are bound to be times a horse has to be quickly humanely destroyed. Why publicize cocaine found. Who owned the cocaine? No this is a beat up. Its all very well sitting on the fence but after a few years of wisdom one can see the olive patch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandpiper Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 If they don't have any footage of the jiggers in use the whole thing could end being a bit of a .. bust 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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