TAB Graphics Plan - money waster?

[The Centaur]

 

When watching a live race the viewer is not really interested in the mountain of stats and timing. Post race then a case can be made. However the idea plonking all these chips onto saddles or jockeys generating useless information might be attractive to a very small few but will do nothing to attract new turnover. The cost has to be queried along with different methods obtaining relevant data.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/racing/new-graphics-part-of-tabs-long-term-plans-to-educate-punters/GJY3YNTBPVHDFCE7ZTO2DVNU44/

The Hong Kong images are simple and easily understood and something similar can be used in NZ at little cost.

[Chief Stipe]

What do you think the cost is?

[The Centaur]

14 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

What do you think the cost is?

Sorry Chief. Didn't see you had started thread already. Add the post there if you can.

AS for cost don't know. However the Hong Kong system negligible on top of NZTR sectionals already produced.

 

[Chief Stipe]

8 minutes ago, The Centaur said:

AS for cost don't know. However the Hong Kong system negligible on top of NZTR sectionals already produced.

Exactly costs SFA.  But great information.  I first noticed it 1000 Guineas Day when watching a horse I was interested in.  Sat 3 wide and I thought "oh no this is going to hurt"!  But the early sectionals were easy and I could see the numbers.  

Reviewed the race afterwards and could see the horse didn't travel as wide as I thought.

[hesi]

Where can you review this data

[Chief Stipe]

27 minutes ago, hesi said:

Where can you review this data

Good point.  They have sectionals on Loveracing.nz for most meetings.  Ellerslie has the full data for all their races on their website.

I reviewed the Trackside recording I kept.

[The Centaur]

Cost is the relevant factor. All the propaganda about the Trackside system being state of the art is bull****. Singapore racing had the system a dozen or so years ago.

AI can now view a race preferably in HD and translate the colours from a frame into names and even when the colours are similar with a little human intervention can decide which is which. Why bother with GPS and all that if it is too pricey. Many years ago NZTR decided it was too expensive so I assume now it is realistic. If not that means a few dollars less for stake money.

 

[Chief Stipe]

32 minutes ago, The Centaur said:

Cost is the relevant factor. All the propaganda about the Trackside system being state of the art is bull****. Singapore racing had the system a dozen or so years ago.

AI can now view a race preferably in HD and translate the colours from a frame into names and even when the colours are similar with a little human intervention can decide which is which. Why bother with GPS and all that if it is too pricey. Many years ago NZTR decided it was too expensive so I assume now it is realistic. If not that means a few dollars less for stake money.

Get with the programme!  You can buy GPS tracking tags for less than $10 now.  With a local wireless set up which every course now requires for broadcasting the extra cost is stuff all.  Super Rugby franchises have been doing it for close to 20 years!!!!

Data storage is now cheaper than chips.  It is good to see that they will be creating an online database with historical data as well.

As for the system being "State of the Art" well it will be even if other jurisidictions had similar technology 10 years ago.  You should congratulate ENTAIN for bringing NZ racing forward.

[Chief Stipe]

@The Centaur as my old man used to say to the consistent moaner - "you'd moan if your arse was on fire!"

Regarding your lead post the extra marginal cost of providing the data on screen in real time and storing it for later is neglible.

I just hope some Trainers take their Jockeys aside and show them how badly they read pace in a race and point out where and when they could have improved two lengths to at least give their horse a chance of winning.  

Just like in Rugby the data collected has the potential to improve the quality of our racing.  Here's hoping NZTR facilitate the education of Trainers and Jockeys on how to interpret the data.

[Chief Stipe]

14 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

You can buy GPS tracking tags for less than $10 now.

@Freda could put one on the collar of her Greyhound and monitor its whereabouts or movements!  

Thinking about that Trainers in the bigger training centres could use the technology for training purposes although some of the top ones already are.

[Special Agent]

53 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

@Freda Thinking about that Trainers in the bigger training centres could use the technology for training purposes although some of the top ones already are.

And some of the not so top ones too.  Might take some guess work out of it.  I always remember comments around timing and heart monitors in Australian Harness whereby Teddy Demmler was cited and quoted many times.  He was a true horseman who needed neither device as he worked through feel and know how.  I can't help think we shoukd be teaching the finer arts of racing and training rather than rushing through the numbers.

[The Centaur]

ENTAIN are already scaling back some of its "initiatives" made in haste.

Now if this latest "initiative" produces data then make the raw data freely available so people can do what they like with it such as feed it into a spread sheet. ENTAIN head office should be driving turnover not doubling up on functions the responsibilty of NZTR or private enterprise. That applies to the myriad of "tipsters" at ENTAIN & NZTR as there seems little effort into promoting businesses and sponsors.

[Special Agent]

I wouldn't have thought the cost of GPS trackers and recording would be excessively expensive.  Technology should be used but, I'd be more inclined to use a clean feed for live coverage and have all the whiz bang info available for anyone who wants to use it, post race.

[The Centaur]

14 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

I wouldn't have thought the cost of GPS trackers and recording would be excessively expensive.  Technology should be used but, I'd be more inclined to use a clean feed for live coverage and have all the whiz bang info available for anyone who wants to use it, post race.

Yes doing a quick survey like the NSW website they have obviously decided the clean approach is best with no reference to the Punters Intelligence app which always meets with some obstacle to download and install. Yet all the push for the screen clutter data comes from NSW sources with great fanfare but then little enthusiasm afterwards

[Chief Stipe]

3 hours ago, Special Agent said:

And some of the not so top ones too.  Might take some guess work out of it.  I always remember comments around timing and heart monitors in Australian Harness whereby Teddy Demmler was cited and quoted many times.  He was a true horseman who needed neither device as he worked through feel and know how.  I can't help think we shoukd be teaching the finer arts of racing and training rather than rushing through the numbers.

Thats because he couldnt understand the numbers.

[Chief Stipe]

3 hours ago, The Centaur said:

ENTAIN are already scaling back some of its "initiatives" made in haste.

Now if this latest "initiative" produces data then make the raw data freely available so people can do what they like with it such as feed it into a spread sheet. ENTAIN head office should be driving turnover not doubling up on functions the responsibilty of NZTR or private enterprise. That applies to the myriad of "tipsters" at ENTAIN & NZTR as there seems little effort into promoting businesses and sponsors.

They have said it will be made publicly available.  So fill your boots not that you believe in it.

[Chief Stipe]

3 hours ago, Special Agent said:

I wouldn't have thought the cost of GPS trackers and recording would be excessively expensive.  Technology should be used but, I'd be more inclined to use a clean feed for live coverage and have all the whiz bang info available for anyone who wants to use it, post race.

That is the intention.  However if you are watching the live feed then you might have a different set of questions for your Jockey than if you had been looking through the binocs.