SERIOUS endemic WHIP CHEATING that would make your Ma In Law blush

[Thomass]

Try Craig Grylls, Opee, Sammy Collett, Matt Cartwright, Leah Hemi, Kelly Myers et el...ANY Jock who wants an RIB blessing (complicit with tacit approval) tick WITHOUT penalty then observe and watch this video shocker from last Friday...only the head on here...but it's obvious what's going on

Toni Davies on the rails leader OVERRATED...the whip in the forehand position, vertical skywards...then assaults the head/neck with total intent for an audio storm where it shoots clear and hangs on

Against the rule..."no contact forward of the shoulder or in the VICINITY of the HEAD"...any horseman can easily recognise the intent 

https://loveracing.nz/Common/SystemTemplates/Modal/Video.aspx?v=http%3a%2f%2fwww.racingreplays.co.nz%2fmedia%2f202512%2fM4_TAKI_R07_041225.mp4&i=%2fCommon%2fImage.ashx%3fw%3d565%26h%3d314%26a%3d1%26o%3d1%26z%3d1%26bg%3deeeeee%26p%3dhttp%3a%2f%2fwww.racingreplays.co.nz%2fmedia%2f202512%2fM4_TAKI_R07_041225.jpg&r=Race 7 - EYEZ ON ICE R65 1800M&rs=1

It's not only an assault on the head/neck region of our beloved thoroughbreds but it's an assault on the integrity of racing along with the dignity of our best mates

The Noble Thoroughbred..it's truly shocking what's going on and I have a disgraceful head on screenshot of Kate Hercock striking the ear and eye of her mount when winning on Saturday..without a question from the RIB

[Chief Stipe]

Didn't take long did it @Thomass.

[Thomass]

When you have time take a look and tell me what you think

Maybe in my senility I'm starting to see things that aint there...or

..the racing industry...per se...simply think the end to filthy lucre justifies the means...i.e a good old bashing over the head is just fine??

Please take my screenshot restrictions off and I'll show the horrific head on pik of Kate smashing her whip into a beautiful thoroughbred's eye socket

[Muzza]

30 minutes ago, Thomass said:

When you have time take a look and tell me what you think

Maybe in my senility I'm starting to see things that aint there...or

..the racing industry...per se...simply think the end to filthy lucre justifies the means...i.e a good old bashing over the head is just fine??

Please take my screenshot restrictions off and I'll show the horrific head on pik of Kate smashing her whip into a beautiful thoroughbred's eye socket

There isn't restrictions on this site is there Thomas????

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Muzza said:

There isn't restrictions on this site is there Thomas????

@Thomass can post whatever he wants except out of context micro second screen shots of his TV screen.  Ad Nauseum I might add.  BOAY aims to be a Pro-Racing site with some balance.  

[Thomass]

8 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

@Thomass can post whatever he wants except out of context micro second screen shots of his TV screen.  Ad Nauseum I might add.  BOAY aims to be a Pro-Racing site with some balance.  

Can you have an open mind and view the video I've provided

Yay or neigh

No cheating riding within the rules or..

....head/neck contact (illegal) supplementing the total allowable whip strikes with an audio battering activating the flight response

This is a screenshot directly from the NZTR website that shows what's really happening...

From a vertical position pointing skywards then a powerful strike wrapping under the ear and into the corner of the eye

Beware...GRAPHIC CONTENT

[Chief Stipe]

38 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Can you have an open mind and view the video I've provided

Yay or neigh

No cheating riding within the rules or..

....head/neck contact (illegal) supplementing the total allowable whip strikes with an audio battering activating the flight response

This is a screenshot directly from the NZTR website that shows what's really happening...

From a vertical position pointing skywards then a powerful strike wrapping under the ear and into the corner of the eye

Beware...GRAPHIC CONTENT

What race?

[Chief Stipe]

I think the whip rules are a mess and I find it hypocritical that some ex-jockeys have had a sudden epiphany of conscience.  

For example what the hell is wrong with giving a horse a slap on the foreleg/shoulder?  More effective than the rump and all the top horsemen know when to use it.

[curious]

8 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

I think the whip rules are a mess and I find it hypocritical that some ex-jockeys have had a sudden epiphany of conscience.  

For example what the hell is wrong with giving a horse a slap on the foreleg/shoulder?  More effective than the rump and all the top horsemen know when to use it.

There's nothing wrong with it is there?

[Chief Stipe]

3 minutes ago, curious said:

There's nothing wrong with it is there?

I thought you couldnt hit forward.

[curious]

Just now, Chief Stipe said:

I thought you couldnt hit forward.

Then you should read the rules before you claim they are a mess, though I agree that they are.

No use forward of the horse’s shoulder or near its head.

[Chief Stipe]

43 minutes ago, curious said:

Then you should read the rules before you claim they are a mess, though I agree that they are.

 

No use forward of the horse’s shoulder or near its head.

But thats ambiguous.  How do you slap the fore shoulder without going in forward of it?

As for the hits on the noggin between the ears it's how they carry the whip when they are goimg hands and heels.  The whip is so flexible it bends without any effort.  Doesn't hurt the horse (haven't seem one flinch)!

[Special Agent]

5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

But thats ambiguous.  How do you slap the fore shoulder without going in forward of it?

Remember the focus on the whip rules when first applying to amateur riders whereby they cannot take their hands off the reins when slapping them on the shoulder.

[curious]

13 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

But thats ambiguous.  How do you slap the fore shoulder without going in forward of it?

I don't see anything ambiguous about it. I've never noticed an issue with that rule as far as application of the whip to the shoulder goes. May be post a pic of an example where that is being breached so we can see what you mean?

Edited yesterday at 07:24 PM by curious

[Thomass]

14 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

What race?

Is moi talking to a brick?

The video nasty in the first post where Toni Davies takes her whip/hands off the neck and purposefully strikes the neck/head indiscriminately...just like Kate Hercock did when striking an eye on Saturday 

How can a 'horseman' such as yourself not know where the flank or shoulder is situated on a said horse ffs?

Prohibited actions include:

• Striking a horse forward of the shoulder or near its head.
• Using an action that raises the rider's arm above shoulder height.
• Striking a horse when it is out of contention, clearly winning, or showing no response.
• Causing injury to the horse (e.g., welts).
• Using the seam of the flap as the point of contact.
• Using the whip in a horse's flank, a sensitive area. 

 

Quantitative Limitations (Flat Races)

NZTR rules impose specific limits on the number and frequency of strikes in flat races: 

• Prior to the final 100-metre mark: A rider may not strike a horse more than five times. A slapping motion on the shoulder with the whip hand remaining on the reins is permitted and does not count towards this total.

[Chief Stipe]

7 minutes ago, Thomass said:

How can a 'horseman' such as yourself not know where the flank or shoulder is situated on a said horse ffs?

Of course I do and I can raise my hand above my head unlike you.

You've made your point.  I suggest you and @Comic Dog keep writing letters to NZTR and the RIB.

[Thomass]

13 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

But thats ambiguous.  How do you slap the fore shoulder without going in forward of it?

As for the hits on the noggin between the ears it's how they carry the whip when they are goimg hands and heels.  The whip is so flexible it bends without any effort.  Doesn't hurt the horse (haven't seem one flinch)!

Most jockeys know the rules and refrain from making contact when pushing out

Crain Grylls doesn't...takes his hands off the neck and and purposefully flexes his wrists to make head contact so continuing the flight response with pain and noise

This is the recent worst case graphically illustrated when Sam Collett bashes her mount over the head striking the eye on 3 occasions

https://loveracing.nz/Common/SystemTemplates/Modal/Video.aspx?v=http%3a%2f%2fwww.racingreplays.co.nz%2fmedia%2f202510%2fM2_ROTU_R03_121025.mp4&i=%2fCommon%2fImage.ashx%3fw%3d565%26h%3d314%26a%3d1%26o%3d1%26z%3d1%26bg%3deeeeee%26p%3dhttp%3a%2f%2fwww.racingreplays.co.nz%2fmedia%2f202510%2fM2_ROTU_R03_121025.jpg&r=Race 3 - ROTORUA RACECOURSE' RACE FOR THE LADIES 1215&rs=1

 

[curious]

This is from @Thomass original example. It was repeated 4 times and on the first occasion the horse clearly reacted by shifting its head to the side. I don't see how you could possible argue that this is accidental.