Programming

[mikeynz]

24 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Riverton Race 3 for 20k being the Riverton Trotters Cup!

$836 in the tote pool!

Yep great programming, how on earth can harness continue like this?

A loss of thousands on races like this!!

its ok as its Entains $.

Good payday for the connections. As our now defunct friend TAB said, no better time to get involved, he was a bit different though🤯

Edited January 25 by mikeynz

[Brodie]

7 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

Good payday for the connections. As our now defunct friend TAB said, no better time to get involved, he was a bit different though🤯

Good if you can get it, but unfortunately we know it isnt going to continue with stakes at the level they currently are!

Unless Entain/ TAB/ HRNZ are prepared to come out and state that the stake money will not be significantly be reduced in the next few years??

[mikeynz]

37 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Good if you can get it, but unfortunately we know it isnt going to continue with stakes at the level they currently are!

Unless Entain/ TAB/ HRNZ are prepared to come out and state that the stake money will not be significantly be reduced in the next few years??

Well the ones raking it in at present, will just have to readjust their budgets........you are probably right but stop worrying about it.

Edited January 25 by mikeynz

[Brodie]

2 hours ago, mikeynz said:

Well the ones raking it in at present, will just have to readjust their budgets........you are probably right but stop worrying about it.

You are correct in both of what you said lol

Probably no point continuing to comment on how they are operating currently but one day it might dawn on them that Brodie “is totally on the money” or “in the money”

Edited January 25 by Brodie

[PeterLambFan]

4 hours ago, Brodie said:

Riverton Race 3 for 20k being the Riverton Trotters Cup!

$836 in the tote pool!

Yep great programming, how on earth can harness continue like this?

A loss of thousands on races like this!!

its ok as its Entains $.

I don’t disagree with you but the pool was about $1300 and I’m sure most people like the Broadster tend to take fixed odds these days (assuming the don’t have heavy restrictions like the Broadster). 

[Brodie]

Mustve been a bit of last minute $.

waste of time having tote pools with this amount of wagering surely?

Restrictions on some punters and not others is acknowledging that the Bookies do not play fairly when treating individuals differently.

They put up the odds but arent prepared to take the punters on?

 

[PeterLambFan]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

Mustve been a bit of last minute $.

waste of time having tote pools with this amount of wagering surely?

Restrictions on some punters and not others is acknowledging that the Bookies do not play fairly when treating individuals differently.

They put up the odds but arent prepared to take the punters on?

 

You have no restrictions on the tote but agree the pools are small. 

[Brodie]

54 minutes ago, PeterLambFan said:

You have no restrictions on the tote but agree the pools are small. 

No point betting into tote as the pools are so low and divs would be getting money back most of the time or far less than should be.

[PeterLambFan]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

No point betting into tote as the pools are so low and divs would be getting money back most of the time or far less than should be.

Agree although if Punters see the Broadster sinking the odds on the Tote they may well be enticed to bet on another runner as it’s odds have blown out. If enough people were to do that then the Broadster may get a reasonable return on the tote but agree it’s not really worth the risk. 

[the galah]

On 19/01/2026 at 8:23 PM, the galah said:

this  week they not only have the nelson/addington race failing to get any support,it was only a few weeks ago they were promoting the $100,000 young guns races at auckland and saying how all the reports they had received indicated there would be good numbers lining up in upcoming 2 year old races in january ,because  of the stake money they were prioritisning for the 2 year olds.

so what happened with the 2 year old races they referred to.

young guns heat for  2yo colts and geldings at auckland-7 starters.

young guns heat for 2yo fillies_cancelled due to lack of numbers

addington 2 year old race-cancelled due to lack of numbers.

so why would hrnz put out  all the people they had been talking to had told them they had good numbers for those races.

well,i think we can safely assume,that hrnz people,do what i always say they obviously do,they speak to a couple of stables,the ones with the money,and then they hrnz base everything they say and do around that.

as i say,its like shooting fish in a barrel. Hrnz are just so out of touch with what works. I would say 80% of what they promote as being good ideas,are not.

Have there ever been more out of touch wagering/marketing/programming people in the history of hrnz.

i've no personal axe to grind against whoever they are.I just struggle with understanding how dumb they come across.

i see hrnz will take some comfort that numbers being nominated have increased for this weeks 3 x 2 year old races.

this week they have a total of 10 nominations for the 3 races.

6 in the fillies race at auckland,0 in the colts and geldings race at auckland and 4 for the combined,colts,geldings and fillies race at addington.

things are definitely on the up.

Edited 6 hours ago by the galah

[the galah]

7 minutes ago, the galah said:

i see hrnz will take some comfort that numbers being nominated have increased for this weeks 3 x 2 year old races.

this week they have a total of 10 nominations for the 3 races.

6 in the fillies race at auckland,0 in the colts and geldings race at auckland and 4 for the combined,colts,geldings and fillies race at addington.

things are definitely on the up.

i wonder how many they will get niminated for the southland 2 year old race. My guess is 0. we will see soon.

[Brodie]

32 minutes ago, the galah said:

i wonder how many they will get niminated for the southland 2 year old race. My guess is 0. we will see soon.

You are wasting your time commenting Galah!

It just falls on deaf ears and they have got plenty of $ to splash around when it isnt their own!

At the end of the day Gamma is probably correct, that the owners and trainers take it while it is being offered!

I still believe that many think that it is going to continue like it currently is, but I can see it going into statutory management in the future due to mismanagement.

With respect anyone with any semblance of business acumen, csn see the writing on the wall but anyway punters need to make hay while they can lol

[Brodie]

4 horse 2 year old race at Addington Thursday nite for $12k?

Yes you can say it is February and we need 2 year old racing, but seriously how can they think that this is not ridiculous as it is just a continuation of losses for HRNZ?

Why $12k for 4 horses????

Give them a 12k bonus as well as plenty of Entain money still!

[mikeynz]

2 hours ago, the galah said:

i wonder how many they will get niminated for the southland 2 year old race. My guess is 0. we will see soon.

Maybe if the likes of Wyndham are going to put 50 grand for the kindergarten maybe race in October or something, might clash with other races but just forget 2yo racing until autumn, starting slowly and building., a 2yo in march is still a 2 year old in October so just put things back a while, I can't see what good Wyndham get from it's richest race having 6 starters and all usually from Canterbury, what's the point?

 

[mikeynz]

5 minutes ago, Brodie said:

4 horse 2 year old race at Addington Thursday nite for $12k?

Yes you can say it is February and we need 2 year old racing, but seriously how can they think that this is not ridiculous as it is just a continuation of losses for HRNZ?

Why $12k for 4 horses????

Give them a 12k bonus as well as plenty of Entain money still!

Once they would just be non totes for a minimal stake, if anything, but hey nice work for the early birds.

I also note they have extended noms for Amberley cup, w at present, I think Horarata might get a few.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by mikeynz

[Brodie]

1 hour ago, mikeynz said:

Once they would just be non totes for a minimal stake, if anything, but hey nice work for the early birds.

I also note they have extended noms for Amberley cup, w at present, I think Horarata might get a few.

 

If HRNZ wasnt getting all this cash would they be running this race fir 12k is the wuestion that needs to be asked?

No they would not be and it would not  be run in 2 years time when the money dries up!

when all this talk of positivity from Brad Steele comes to fruition and these breeding bonuses etc. come good and we have all these 2 year olds around ready to race, then all good! 👍 

Just would not be holding my breath!

It is really hard to understand why the Racing Minister is allowing racing to operate the way it is with the big spending, when they were bailed out to the tune of $900m?

The thing is they have also signed away half of their future profits, so things are not going to be pretty in a couple of years for racing!, unless someone can refute what Brodie is saying?

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Brodie

[Nowornever]

Addington Thursday and Rangiora Friday. 

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

If HRNZ wasnt getting all this cash would they be running this race fir 12k is the wuestion that needs to be asked?

No they would not be and it would not  be run in 2 years time when the money dries up!

when all this talk of positivity from Brad Steele comes to fruition and these breeding bonuses etc. come good and we have all these 2 year olds around ready to race, then all good! 👍 

Just would not be holding my breath!

It is really hard to understand why the Racing Minister is allowing racing to operate the way it is with the big spending, when they were bailed out to the tune of $900m?

The thing is they have also signed away half of their future profits, so things are not going to be pretty in a couple of years for racing!, unless someone can refute what Brodie is saying?

 

 

yes

hrnz thinking has been,,because they're aren't many 2 year olds around to race, they need to encourage more and to achieve that the answer has been large bonuses,increased stakes and this year pay 90 of them $5000 just to start,even if they run a tailed off  last. 

thats how hrnz think.

its consistent with their thinking when it comes to north island harness racing. Up there they don't have enouigh horses to fill the fields, so HRNZ think the answer to that is more races.

so theres that consistency in hrnz policy,that is ,the less horses you have available,the more racing you put on for them and the more you give them higher stakes to aim at.

now clearly anyone can see that has not been working whatsoever and never made any sense in the first place,but they get points for consistency,even if its stupid.

then hrnz's answer to the ATC financial worries is,don't worry,keep going as you are,because we've got your back and we will throw a few million into your financail hole,because we  believe the population of auckland is going to all of a sudden have a change of heart and start supporting the harness product in auckland.And hrnz will budget $20m to build a training complex on a property that they don't even own.

then  HRNZ has said to cambridge,well,we know your in deep shit financially,but what does impress us is you only owe hrnz about 1.2-1.5 m,now thats pretty dam good when we compare you to ATC..So look,we know the slot races you ran added significantly to your debt,so hey,we have a solution to that. Lets have HRNZ run those slot races and take the financial hit,that way the good aussie horses can come and take even more nz harness indutsry money back to australia for their billionaire owners..

again pretty consistent thinking by hrnz.

then there was nz  sires bonuses. What they did there was say to people,breed to a nz sire and we will pay you  bonuses when they race and win in years to come.But ,thers a catch,we may cancel those bonuses before you ever race.For unknown reasons,many seemed silly enough to think they may be getting a bonus for their foals sired by nz sires in the future,but no they wont,as very predictably, hrnz cancelled those.

But your right brodie,not much point saying the same thing repeatedly as even we get tired of reading our own posts.

as to the 2 year old race programmed for southalnd this week.My guess was they would get zero nominations. I based that on it appears they have no qualified 2 year old in southland yet. 

and the $12,000 stake.at addington. Points to hrnz at least showing some common sense by reducing the stake by 20% due to the small number of starters. But even a $12,000 stake seems ridiculous given it will generate no turnover whatsoever.

It will be interesting to see whether the 20% is smoke and mirrors. In other words, will they be reducing the winning stakes by 20%,or is the 20% reduction just what would have come off anyway,due to not haveing any also rans to pay staring money. In other words ,unless they reduce the winning stakes,then they  really are just playing with people.

Edited 8 minutes ago by the galah