More interesting programming by HRNZ.

[mikeynz]

Just the 5 races at Manawatu, just the 4 horses in the main race at Cambridge, that Manawatu meeting, no surprises, might have been smarter to combine with Wairarapa from last week, 4 races that Otaki use to do,a one off don't happen in the CD, Kapiti Coast, not sure next week, because of the track but would numbers be any different from Manawatu?

Hawera following Kapiti should be OK but as with last year, why schedule grass racing same time at Kapiti or Palmy for that matter as Marlborough, that's stupid

As for Cambridge only 4 going for 40000, Republican Party didn't stay, they dont have a circuit no more up North to tie in with the , Auckland Cup, Nelson on Sunday might get 10 going for 25, HRNz if they so obsessed with bumping up stakes then bump up Westports, Omakaus and Nelson's main race and have good racing for the better ones through the holiday break, judging by the Omakau main race figures people like the better horses but you do need 8 runners to entice more betting.

Edited Monday at 04:26 AM by mikeynz

[Brodie]

Owners will  need to make the most of what they are currently receiving in stake money, as there is nothing surer than when Entain pulls the funding in 2 years time, they will be racing for significantly less stake money.

If we are only getting 4 horse fields with good stake money how do they think there are going to be more horses than this racing?

Unfortunately things are not flash and HRNZ need to quickly acknowledge this fact and  make the necessary changes!

Business owners and CEO’s need to do best for their business, but is there anyone that thinks that the actions that have been taken since the cash splash is going to be successful??

Edited Monday at 10:22 AM by Brodie

[mikeynz]

I think both Cambridge and Manawatu are going to take a further hit when the dogs finish, as long as stakes are in line with income that's all one can do, at present they aren't, you cut your coat according to your cloth, I note a comment Mr Steele said to the Facebook at Omakau the other day praising these feeder clubs, , sad part is many of these feeder clubs are being feasted on by clubs who can't make it on their own, HRNZ are pouring money into one or two clubs in particular who don't inspire the public, if the public prefer Methven and the Mot and Westport or Omakau  over Cambridge or Alexandra Park then that's the way it is

I'm all for standing up for the provinces in anything. Auckland has to stand on its own 2 feet.

Edited Monday at 10:47 AM by mikeynz

[mikeynz]

One would have to admit, 40000 for 4 horses, easy money, as Gamma says lots of happy owners, it can't go on like that forever, make hay while the sun shines.

[mikeynz]

Some of those races with 6 starters or less should be penalty free at Manawatu, for that matter any races with 6 or less should be and also free from any ratings relief  as well.

[Nowornever]

And there is more than 30 minutes between each race.  That will put a few off.

$600 on the tote place and $1000 in the quinella pool for the first race not great reading either.

[the galah]

1 hour ago, mikeynz said:

Some of those races with 6 starters or less should be penalty free at Manawatu, for that matter any races with 6 or less should be and also free from any ratings relief  as well.

why?

[mikeynz]

40 minutes ago, the galah said:

why?

Many of those maiden trots with only 6, some only win by default, look at Palmy today, Nelson tomorrow.

[the galah]

2 hours ago, mikeynz said:

Many of those maiden trots with only 6, some only win by default, look at Palmy today, Nelson tomorrow.

i see where your coming from.Thats where good programming and handicapping should come into play.

Horses whose first win is in a weak non win race and subsequently prove uncompetitive in the 1 win grade,unfortunately are  considered of no value by the handicappers and race programmers.

i've made that point myself a few times in the past,but thats the reality. Its a handicapping and programming issue,not a penalty free win issue.

also,if they made the manawatu races   penalty free races like you suggest,then theoretically you could have a horse start each week over 2 1/2 months,have a  win in a  junior drivers penalty free race,then the manawatu penalty free race you suggest,as well as win  2 half points junior driver wins  and be given quiet runs in the other 6 races and be  unplaced,and that horse would still be rated the same as it would be had it not started.in other words instead of 3 wins and ending up back at square 1 you are suggesting they get 4 wins and end up back at square 1.

HRNZ have already gone totally overboard in how they prioritise the junior drivers over other participants.

LIke ,why does hrnz have a policy that will pay for the juniors licences,their gear,give them oopprtunities to get drives due to the penalty free wins and half penalties,yet say to everyone else who battles away to make a living that they are entitled to no help.Also have the dumbos at hrnz not realised that many of the  people  losing their drives to the claiming juniors will be the ones who were juniors up until a year or two prior.

The ex juniors who struggled  getting drives receive no support from anyone when they lose their junior driver status. Anyobne who thinks they do is kidding themselves. Why would anyone put them on when they can use a current junior who will get them half points and penalty free wins. Just go look at the juniors who struggled for drives 5 years ago and you will see what i mean.You never hear of  them again.

and as i pointed out in a post last year,the juniorsin the bottom half of the premiership are not benefitting fro0 the cureent system one bit. They are not getting any extra drives at all. the stats show that. 

neally i think the whole penalty free system is stacked in favour of and against certain sectors of the industry. HRNZ know it,everyone knows it,but they simply don't care about that sector.

HRNZ focus is very much on prioritising some sectors of the industry over others. Its very much illustrated in the penalty free,half penalty system ,whetehr it be junior drivers or 2 year olds or 3 year olds.

i

Edited yesterday at 07:47 AM by the galah

[the galah]

25 minutes ago, the galah said:

i see where your coming from.Thats where good programming and handicapping should come into play.

Horses whose first win is in a weak non win race and subsequently prove uncompetitive in the 1 win grade,unfortunately are  considered of no value by the handicappers and race programmers.

i've made that point myself a few times in the past,but thats the reality. Its a handicapping and programming issue,not a penalty free win issue.

also,if they made the manawatu races   penalty free races like you suggest,then theoretically you could have a horse start each week over 2 1/2 months,have a  win in a  junior drivers penalty free race,then the manawatu penalty free race you suggest,as well as win  2 half points junior driver wins  and be given quiet runs in the other 6 races and be  unplaced,and that horse would still be rated the same as it would be had it not started.in other words instead of 3 wins and ending up back at square 1 you are suggesting they get 4 wins and end up back at square 1.

HRNZ have already gone totally overboard in how they prioritise the junior drivers over other participants.

LIke ,why does hrnz have a policy that will pay for the juniors licences,their gear,give them oopprtunities to get drives due to the penalty free wins and half penalties,yet say to everyone else who battles away to make a living that they are entitled to no help.Also have the dumbos at hrnz not realised that many of the  people  losing their drives to the claiming juniors will be the ones who were juniors up until a year or two prior.

The ex juniors who struggled  getting drives receive no support from anyone when they lose their junior driver status. Anyobne who thinks they do is kidding themselves. Why would anyone put them on when they can use a current junior who will get them half points and penalty free wins. Just go look at the juniors who struggled for drives 5 years ago and you will see what i mean.You never hear of  them again.

and as i pointed out in a post last year,the juniorsin the bottom half of the premiership are not benefitting fro0 the cureent system one bit. They are not getting any extra drives at all. the stats show that. 

neally i think the whole penalty free system is stacked in favour of and against certain sectors of the industry. HRNZ know it,everyone knows it,but they simply don't care about that sector.

HRNZ focus is very much on prioritising some sectors of the industry over others. Its very much illustrated in the penalty free,half penalty system ,whetehr it be junior drivers or 2 year olds or 3 year olds.

i

just to emphasis my point. if you look at the munber of drivers who drove in nz  races in 2019. There were 236.

in 2025, there was only 196,and 9 of those were only here for the world drivers champs. so the figure really is 187.

so hrnz have introduced all these so called clever penalty junior initiatives to keep people in the sport,

yet in just  6 years,there has been a 20% drop in the numbers(49 indivuidual drivers) who drove.

hrnz say their concession and penalty free system is designed to keep people in the sport.Who are they fooling?

Edited yesterday at 08:09 AM by the galah

[mikeynz]

I think if you made races of 6 starters or less penalty free it woudnt make that much difference, 4 in the main race at Cambridge, nothing will change for the winner but the maiden trot in Nelson, would anyone of those win at Methven, Motukarara against 14 others, probably not, no one can manipulate the field size, itsI just one of those things that happens now and then, i don't know if there is a ratings rule but fillies and mares should only get half points for winning too if they are restricted to one sex, probably in reality you could also reduce the rating penalty to 3 points if there are 7 8 or 9 starters, even reduce the top rating to 80 and exempt any horse from a ratings drop for 4 starts after a penalty bearing win.

Once upon a time there were 10 classes, no drop back, was it right that's subjective.

Edited 17 hours ago by mikeynz