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[the galah]

then again the opposite also applies.

if people say greyhound racing should continue here,then they should also be supporting greyhound racing and gambling on it, continuing in australia,not suggesting our government should ban betting on it.

i'm sure the people who supported banning it here are consistent and  want betting on it  banned here and in australia as well.

Edited 20 hours ago by the galah

[Brodie]

47 minutes ago, the galah said:

then again the opposite also applies.

if people say greyhound racing should continue here,then they should also be supporting greyhound racing and gambling on it, continuing in australia,not suggesting our government should ban betting on it.

i'm sure the people who supported banning it here are consistent and  want betting on it  banned here and in australia as well.

Reality is that those that support the banning of greyhound racing must also support the extinction of the greyhound breed from NZ forever!

I understand that the dogs are being desexed now, and despite the fact that greyhounds make good pets, we are going to eventually see no greyhounds in our streets being walked!

shame really.

Edited 20 hours ago by Brodie

[sarge]

The 5 year funding guarantee is propping up the distribution to the 3 codes by approx $30m/year.This is the estimate by Grant Thornton who, under S60 of The Racing Act, were appointed to complete a 5 yearly Performance and Efficiency audit.

Their report, which was published by the TAB in September last year, say that the TAB at the point of audit had 12 staff plus a Board of 6 directors.

The report flagged a shortfall of funding to the TAB versus income Entain were actually making was approx $31.8m (per the attached note.)

Assuming that greyhounds don't contribute a significant amount of GBR then this would have an impact to NZTR of approx $20m/year and to HRNZ of approx $10m/year.

The full geonet impact is still a year away from being reported and should hold some upside. NZTR's annual report said that the geonet had been in place for one month when their report was done.

Entain's new Australian CEO said that this gap was "closing" when asked by Mick Guerin last last year. 

Realistically the only lever saving that magnitude of money, would be via a stakes reduction.

[Newmarket]

22 hours ago, Brodie said:

Regards the closing if greyhounds due supposedly to cruelty to the animals?

How hypocritical is it surely that NZ isnt able  to wager on NZ dogs as it is too cruel, and yet we are able to wager on Austrslian greyhound racing??

Clearly the Ozzie dog racing isnt as cruel or we wouldnt be allowed to wager on it?

Absolute lunacy to can greyhounds in NZ and wipe out the greyhound breed totally.

Far better to Close down the Green Party and The Maori Party for the cruelty they would cause NZ citizens should there be enough losers who vote for the LEFTY Losers!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Totally agree…. but just watch, the Aus greyhound betting will not go ahead in NZ once racing stops here. Will be pressure on bigtime, and rightly so, one could say that Aus dog racing is run worse than NZ….

In fact, the only 2 dogs really looked after in Aus was Coco and Son Of Coco…Darryl Kerrigan and family even took them on holiday to Bonnie Doon…😁

A great movie… interestingly its been reported that Michael Caton was only paid $3000 for his lead role…. i would have told him ya dreamin….

[the galah]

2 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Totally agree…. but just watch, the Aus greyhound betting will not go ahead in NZ once racing stops here. Will be pressure on bigtime, and rightly so, one could say that Aus dog racing is run worse than NZ….

In fact, the only 2 dogs really looked after in Aus was Coco and Son Of Coco…Darryl Kerrigan and family even took them on holiday to Bonnie Doon…😁

A great movie… interestingly its been reported that Michael Caton was only paid $3000 for his lead role…. i would have told him ya dreamin….

it was a great movie.

i see no reason whatsover to think betting on australian greyhound racing will stop here.That makes no financial sense.

 

 

[pete cook]

Considering we are allowed to bet on Australian races on Good Friday and Easter Sunday, when it is not allowed here, I can't see the Aussie dogs being any different.

[the galah]

18 hours ago, Brodie said:

Reality is that those that support the banning of greyhound racing must also support the extinction of the greyhound breed from NZ forever!

I understand that the dogs are being desexed now, and despite the fact that greyhounds make good pets, we are going to eventually see no greyhounds in our streets being walked!

shame really.

when i watched dave fahey interviewed after his last nz cup win,he said it all really would mean nothing as the sport was going to disappear this year.

it sort of reminds me how harness breeders have had their broodmare families for years yet no one wants to breed from them anymore due to the declining interest in harness racing.thats also very sad.

fahey seemed quite upset,as i think hes entitled to be.I watched that and thought,how did the greyhound people not see it coming and why were they blaming winston peters when it was the greyhound industry which had evolved into something which had a dark side to it.

the demise of the industry was always a given. I used to infer that when posting on the greyhound part of this webisite .

greyhound racing had evolved to rewarding large scale mass production type farms and there were kennels who simply took advantage of that. The injury thing was significant,but thats not what tipped the industry over..

the signs were there when the cole kennel had their live baiting thing ,where they had so many employees not willing to tell the ruth and they attacked those that did. The mcinerney issues. have you ever read how many really bad incidents involved that kennel on the jca website.. It was all down to the scale of how they operated.how could anyone not see that was what contributed to the industries demise.These were the industries flagbearers,yet they were the industries own worst publicists.

have people ever read the anaylisis of data the former nsw chief vet did when investigating injuries. He specifically identified a major spike in injuries when dogs were backed up within 2 or 3 days.. Yet,that had been the practice of the likes of the mcinerny kennel for years. That kennel must have known,but it was all about the money.

As i said on the greyhound forum,people should read what that nsw vet said in his submission to the latest nsw commission. The latest nsw commssion findings highlighted many issues the greyhounds had over there and they all still applied to nz.

i only have been to the greyhounds once in the last 3 years. I referred to it in a post at the time. Not 1 spectator ,no racebook and only 2 people in the bar under next to the bridcage at addington. 1 of those the photo man who trundled out every race to take a photo.Off in the distance the handlers would come out,then they would race in the distance.

that off in the distance,detachment somehow summed up the industry to me at the time. It had no personal connection with anyone except themselves. I remember going to forbury about 10 years ago and going over near where the dogs came onto the track only to be told by a trainer words to the effect,piss off,this is the greyhounds area. I only was going to have a look at them come out onto the track. It struck me,that fella reflected the same type of attitude you would read about in the jca reports when the likes of the schofields or the coles were fueding with people. Or when you read the way they argued with each oither on socail media forums like the other channel.Their was this sense of hostility.

it was all such a far cry from all the trips i would make to que2 to watch the dogs. those were the days.

also,just last month the nsw government advised wentworth park was not getting their lease renewed and would be demolished and that the government would instead invest 10m supporting racing at their other tracks.they plan to build up to 4800 houses and 20 sports fields on that ground.

thats being viewed as a major blow to the industryin nsw,although the current govenment has no plans close the sport down. So greyhound racing seem safe for quite a few years there.

Edited 1 hour ago by the galah

[Newmarket]

53 minutes ago, the galah said:

it was a great movie.

i see no reason whatsover to think betting on australian greyhound racing will stop here.That makes no financial sense.

 

 

From a NZ Entain point of view, of course they would love to continue to provide betting on Aus dogs…. but for all the reasons it is getting banned in NZ, its quite alright to show Aus racing for purely gambling? 
Remember Tasmania is phasing out dog racing…and the Victorian government has said it could save $500m if it follows Tasmania in phasing out, estimates the government would save $451m between 2025/2026 and 2035/2036 if it stopped subsidising greyhound racing and closed the industry…. interesting indeed…

[the galah]

9 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

From a NZ Entain point of view, of course they would love to continue to provide betting on Aus dogs…. but for all the reasons it is getting banned in NZ, its quite alright to show Aus racing for purely gambling? 
 

yes its alright. Its just not practical to ban betting here on aussie dogs.

i wonder,will the nz greyhound trainers still be able to train up their dogs and sell them to australia in the future as potential racers/

20 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

 
Remember Tasmania is phasing out dog racing…and the Victorian government has said it could save $500m if it follows Tasmania in phasing out, estimates the government would save $451m between 2025/2026 and 2035/2036 if it stopped subsidising greyhound racing and closed the industry…. interesting indeed…

i don't know why the states that still have greyhound racing  just don't follow the recommendations of the nsw commission that came out last year.

its the scale of greyhound racing that is both their strength and their weakness.

the solutions didn't seem too hard to implement,its just people liked it the way it is and turn a blind eye to the dark side of the way it is. Then you get commission of inquiries and bans citing all the old issues and for some reason the industry claims to be blindsided. i've always thought thats strange.