MaltedMilkshake Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Just an observation ..... has anyone ever looked at the trainers information on the NZTR site? How can NZTR plan accordingly if trainers don’t provide accurate updates concerning horse numbers in their stables? Does anyone (RIU) check the stable returns? Does NZTR racing ever check the accuracy and/or currency of stable returns? As they don’t, how can they plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 I've had trainers that i've had to remind to do a return before putting my horse in a trial , been in work 2 to 3 months still haven't been done . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltedMilkshake Posted February 9, 2019 Author Share Posted February 9, 2019 40 minutes ago, nomates said: I've had trainers that i've had to remind to do a return before putting my horse in a trial , been in work 2 to 3 months still haven't been done . Exactly, so on what basis does NZTR make decisions ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Whatever decisions are made they are never made with any level of racing knowledge . 5 minutes ago, MaltedMilkshake said: Exactly, so on what basis does NZTR make decisions ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltedMilkshake Posted February 9, 2019 Author Share Posted February 9, 2019 37 minutes ago, nomates said: Whatever decisions are made they are never made with any level of racing knowledge . I think I’ll just ask them on Twitter. That’ll embarrass them...When I also include RNSW & RV on the question...???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 16 minutes ago, MaltedMilkshake said: I think I’ll just ask them on Twitter. That’ll embarrass them...When I also include RNSW & RV on the question...???? Can't embarrass them , if their not embarrassed by the state they've got racing in , nothing will . Got more neck than a giraffe . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltedMilkshake Posted February 9, 2019 Author Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 minute ago, nomates said: Can't embarrass them , if their not embarrassed by the state they've got racing in , nothing will . Got more neck than a giraffe . Yep you’re 150% correct ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Answer to your question MM is yes. For a long time I have noted the lack of accuracy in that database and the delay in registering changes which I know to have taken place ... I am not familair with the obligations of the trainers or NZTR in this regard. And while it's not directly related I can't help but contrast this with the rather firm approach of the officials towards such things as mare returns - deadlines set and signficant payments demanded eg. to register the birth of the long awaited foal which then has to be destroyed at birth ... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Changes - either arriving or departing - are supposed to be notified within seven days...and yes, MM...sometimes I've had to give myself a shakeup because the seven days has been and gone. However, things such as changes of addresses of licence holders, new phone numbers, changes of employers in the case of apprentices, can be months out of date to the annoyance and inconvenience of anyone trying to make contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straightup Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) It is a trainers responsibility to process a stable return when horses arrive or leave. This process isn't policed to the requirements of a stable return, hence why you can't rely on any data from any department in NZ Racing. Stable return requires at least 3 days prior to nominations, but a lot of trainers get this process done when nominating for a trial or race. To make the trainers follow the process policy rules is not accepting a nomination from late stable returns. Then the trainers number of horses in their stables will start becoming accurate. You would be amazed at how many trainers would still have retired or deceased horses in their trading lists. Edited February 10, 2019 by Straightup 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, Straightup said: It is a trainers responsibility to process a stable return when horses arrive or leave. This process isn't policed to the requirements of a stable return, hence why you can't rely on any data from any department in NZ Racing. Stable return requires at least 3 days prior to nominations, but a lot of trainers get this process done when nominating for a trial or race. To make the trainers follow the process policy rules is not accepting a nomination from late stable returns. Then the trainers number of horses in their stables will start becoming accurate. You would be amazed at how many trainers would still have retired or deceased horses in their trading lists. If that's the case then how can NZTR plan race programmes that optimise the availability of each grade of horse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 They can't...and don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: If that's the case then how can NZTR plan race programmes that optimise the availability of each grade of horse? As Freda said. It's one area that has easy solutions to improve race scheduling. Allowing less races to cater for the needs of the population of horses across the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: If that's the case then how can NZTR plan race programmes that optimise the availability of each grade of horse? Don't know if it would make much difference whether they had the info or not looking at how random the programs can be , i've seen the same grade race programmed 2 days in a row then nothing for a month or more or other grades having so many oppertunities over a period that they can't fill the fields . These programs are set by local committee's but seems like the people on the committee have just arrived from outa town . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, nomates said: Don't know if it would make much difference whether they had the info or not looking at how random the programs can be , i've seen the same grade race programmed 2 days in a row then nothing for a month or more or other grades having so many oppertunities over a period that they can't fill the fields . These programs are set by local committee's but seems like the people on the committee have just arrived from outa town . No my understanding is that all programming is done centrally by NZTR. Is that not correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: No my understanding is that all programming is done centrally by NZTR. Is that not correct? May be incorrect but if done centrally might be with local input . I do recall certain trainers saying they were on programming committees , perhaps they went to HQ for these meetings and the scones and tea . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Whatever the case the programming can be a bit hit and miss , in the CD at least . Speaking of poor programming the Waikato Gns just run Sat and now the Avondale Gns running this Sat , who came up with that schedule leading into the Derby 2 weeks later . This sums it up for me , why couldn't Te Rapa run 2 Sat's ago and New Plymouth Sat just gone , no expert buts seems a more logical progression to me plus both races stronger for it . Is there a reason i don't know , perhaps someone could enlighten me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straightup Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Freda said: They can't...and don't. They need people with racing experience that know & understand the industry. They get that right & the rest should eventually fall into place, but like that will ever happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straightup Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: No my understanding is that all programming is done centrally by NZTR. Is that not correct? NZTR. Racing managers program all up coming races throughout NZ. Thet will never get it right, not in my lifetime anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 3 hours ago, nomates said: Whatever the case the programming can be a bit hit and miss , in the CD at least . Speaking of poor programming the Waikato Gns just run Sat and now the Avondale Gns running this Sat , who came up with that schedule leading into the Derby 2 weeks later . This sums it up for me , why couldn't Te Rapa run 2 Sat's ago and New Plymouth Sat just gone , no expert buts seems a more logical progression to me plus both races stronger for it . Is there a reason i don't know , perhaps someone could enlighten me . Because we have SO MANY 3yr olds preparing for the Derby.....do we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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