bad day for becker

[the galah]

race 5 at hawera today. You had to feel sorry for the horse becker.

shortly after the start it appears the horse(i'm all in-k coppins), drawn to its outside is allowed to drift in slightly and its back leg makes contact with beckers sulky,causing i'm all in to gallop,then that horse runs in when in a gallop and then this time its front leg makes significant contact with beckers sulky catipulting the driver of becker out of the sulky and giving her little option but to let go .

so becker starts off running around after the 3 horses in front of it as another 3 behind it chase just behind it.

but waits theres more.

down the back straight the horse nearest to becker driven by j dunn jnr, wisely takes the option of giving the driverless becker a wide berth when close to becker,but then n delany on a following horse seemed to think  its a good idea to pocket becker in close to the track markers.So delany improves to ahead of becker and starts running in on him.

so as delany does that, you get this line of 4 horses,the widest being driven by c hackett who had galloped at the start. The c hackett seems to be unhappy about running wider due to the driverless horse, so she angles her horse in,dictating j dunns line who in turn has no option but to dictate n delanys line,as hes inside him.

now, of course,you could see what was going to happen as this  unfolded.

whats going to happen to poor old becker,who's still inside n delany as delany was trying to,well i'm not sure to be honest.

what does happen.Becker gets forced over the markers ,tries to avoid them but has nowhere to go as hackett and delany are both electing to cut him off,and becker frantically tries to stay on his feet, but eventually falls and makes slight contact  with delany on the way down.

personally i felt quite sorry for the horse as none of it was his fault.

there were some very unusual driving tactics in that race ,thats for sure.

my guess though is the stipes report will say,no driver was to blame,even though there was.

Edited yesterday at 03:01 AM by the galah

[Forbury]

51 minutes ago, the galah said:

race 5 at hawera today. You had to feel sorry for the horse becker.

shortly after the start it appears the horse(i'm all in-k coppins), drawn to its outside is allowed to drift in slightly and its back leg makes contact with beckers sulky,causing i'm all in to gallop,then that horse runs in when in a gallop and then this time its front leg makes significant contact with beckers sulky catipulting the driver of becker out of the sulky and giving her little option but to let go .

so becker starts off running around after the 3 horses in front of it as another 3 behind it chase just behind it.

but waits theres more.

down the back straight the horse nearest to becker driven by j dunn jnr, wisely takes the option of giving the driverless becker a wide berth when close to becker,but then n delany on a following horse seemed to think  its a good idea to pocket becker in close to the track markers.So delany improves to ahead of becker and starts running in on him.

so as delany does that, you get this line of 4 horses,the widest being driven by c hackett who had galloped at the start. The c hackett seems to be unhappy about running wider due to the driverless horse, so she angles her horse in,dictating j dunns line who in turn has no option but to dictate n delanys line,as hes inside him.

now, of course,you could see what was going to happen as this  unfolded.

whats going to happen to poor old becker,who's still inside n delany as delany was trying to,well i'm not sure to be honest.

what does happen.Becker gets forced over the markers ,tries to avoid them but has nowhere to go as hackett and delany are both electing to cut him off,and becker frantically tries to stay on his feet, but eventually falls and makes slight contact  with delany on the way down.

personally i felt quite sorry for the horse as none of it was his fault.

there were some very unusual driving tactics in that race ,thats for sure.

my guess though is the stipes report will say,no driver was to blame,even though there was.

The use less stewards failed in there duty of care put the life's of the drivers and horses at risk!  As it happened at the start the race should of been called off and rerun.The stewards are paid nothing they are just useless. In France race gets called off and rerun! They do not put the horses and drivers at risk of injury or death

[Brodie]

25 minutes ago, Forbury said:

The use less stewards failed in there duty of care put the life's of the drivers and horses at risk!  As it happened at the start the race should of been called off and rerun.The stewards are paid nothing they are just useless. In France race gets called off and rerun! They do not put the horses and drivers at risk of injury or death

It appeared that several of the drivers thought the race was going to be called off by their actions!

Personally think it should have been but then I am not a stipe.

Think Becker may have stood on the loose reins down the back straight.

[the galah]

40 minutes ago, Brodie said:

It appeared that several of the drivers thought the race was going to be called off by their actions!

Personally think it should have been but then I am not a stipe.

Think Becker may have stood on the loose reins down the back straight.

i watched the race many times before posting.

the reins were out the back and don't see the reins being a factor in why becker fell..

i think its prety clear becker got cut off by delany wanting to do so about 100m before falling,not sure what on earth delany was thinking.

then c hackett doing the same just prior to becker falling,without any apparent thought of what was happening inside her.

things like that shouldn't happen,but they do up there. i have said a few times,i think its an indication of lack of oversight by those in control and maybe inexperience and sometimes like today,just lack of common sense.

1 hour ago, Forbury said:

The use less stewards failed in there duty of care put the life's of the drivers and horses at risk!  As it happened at the start the race should of been called off and rerun.The stewards are paid nothing they are just useless. In France race gets called off and rerun! They do not put the horses and drivers at risk of injury or death

the stewards could have called it off,but really who could have anticipated the driving of those involved in becker falling.

Edited yesterday at 05:01 AM by the galah

[the galah]

7 hours ago, the galah said:

 

my guess though is the stipes report will say,no driver was to blame,even though there was.

well the stewards reports for the north island are always predictable.

as i predicted,todays report completely ignored the main factors in firstly,why becker lost its driver, then was knocked to the ground later in the race..

lets just analyse the stipes report and what it ommited.

1)it says becker broke shortly after the start and shifted in.It ommits to say, i'm all in,had shited in albeit not  a major inward movement,but still enough for the horse i'm all in's,hind leg to contact the sulky wheel of becker.It was that contact that lead to im all in  galloping,as what horse wouldn't when its leg action has been significantly impeded by a sulky wheel. You can actually stop the video and it shows that. If you don't believe you can see that on the video then ask yourself why does the stipes report note that im all in was treated for a laceration to the leg that i say made contact with the sulky. Its obvious where and when the contact was made,yet the stipes ignore that.

2)the stipes gave advice to j dunn for the manner in which he drove. What the heck did they do that for. Was he not just trying to avoid the runner with no driver. 

3)Why did they not question n delany for the manner in which he drove. What on earth was delany doing,becuase there is no doubt whatsover that he contributed to becker falling.

4)why did they not question c ahckett,because it was very obvious that she also contributed significantly to becker falling by forcing the horses inside her onto becker and making him fall.

5)the stipes report noted becker  jumped track markers near the 900m. Well duh,why was he jumping track markers.it was obvious.it was because the drivers outside him deliberately drove in a manner that forced becker to jump the markers

now i've got better things i could be doing than pointing out just how incomplete(being diplomatic with that word) that stipes report was.

i've said it before and this latest example again illustrates what i say about the north island stipes.

they often overlook what some drivers do and because of their failure to give proper guidance and oversight to the juniors in the north isalnd,the standards of driving is poor when compared with the south island who have proper oversight.

drivers,whether they be inexperienced or not,should still have an obligation to think of safety,not only for the drivers,but also the horsesThat did not happen today and the stipes in charge turned a blind eye.

the only driver who considered safety and i believe showed common sense was j dunn,yet he was the only driver they spoke to about the manner he drove.

 

Edited yesterday at 10:39 AM by the galah

[Nowornever]

How this race was not called off or horses who were badly hampered not late scratched is anybody's guess.

These days if a horse falls at most tracks and continues running in the field the race is called off immediately. Guess they didn't get the memo at Hawera. 

To me it looked like Kate Coppins was more interested in looking at what other drivers closer to the fence were doing rather than steering her own horse straight and in doing that drifted into the horse Becker causing her own horse to gallop and dislodge Beckers driver. I thought she would have gotten a holiday for the drive. 

I would like to see the head on for clarification.

[Nowornever]

It is interesting to note the stewards for Hawera were K Coppins (Chairman), S Mulcay, C Lomey, B Bateup  

 

 

[Gammalite]

10 hours ago, the galah said:

well the stewards reports for the north island are always predictable.

as i predicted,todays report completely ignored the main factors in firstly,why becker lost its driver, then was knocked to the ground later in the race..

lets just analyse the stipes report and what it ommited.

1)it says becker broke shortly after the start and shifted in.It ommits to say, i'm all in,had shited in albeit not  a major inward movement,but still enough for the horse i'm all in's,hind leg to contact the sulky wheel of becker.It was that contact that lead to im all in  galloping,as what horse wouldn't when its leg action has been significantly impeded by a sulky wheel. You can actually stop the video and it shows that. If you don't believe you can see that on the video then ask yourself why does the stipes report note that im all in was treated for a laceration to the leg that i say made contact with the sulky. Its obvious where and when the contact was made,yet the stipes ignore that.

2)the stipes gave advice to j dunn for the manner in which he drove. What the heck did they do that for. Was he not just trying to avoid the runner with no driver. 

3)Why did they not question n delany for the manner in which he drove. What on earth was delany doing,becuase there is no doubt whatsover that he contributed to becker falling.

4)why did they not question c ahckett,because it was very obvious that she also contributed significantly to becker falling by forcing the horses inside her onto becker and making him fall.

5)the stipes report noted becker  jumped track markers near the 900m. Well duh,why was he jumping track markers.it was obvious.it was because the drivers outside him deliberately drove in a manner that forced becker to jump the markers

now i've got better things i could be doing than pointing out just how incomplete(being diplomatic with that word) that stipes report was.

i've said it before and this latest example again illustrates what i say about the north island stipes.

they often overlook what some drivers do and because of their failure to give proper guidance and oversight to the juniors in the north isalnd,the standards of driving is poor when compared with the south island who have proper oversight.

drivers,whether they be inexperienced or not,should still have an obligation to think of safety,not only for the drivers,but also the horsesThat did not happen today and the stipes in charge turned a blind eye.

the only driver who considered safety and i believe showed common sense was j dunn,yet he was the only driver they spoke to about the manner he drove.

 

well another damning report from the Galah , to go along with Brodie's constant critical analysis of HRNZ, Entain, ATC and North Island racing , and feature racing and anything else that encompasses Nz Harness racing, including the Programmer and the Starter . you Might as well throw the Stipes on the bon-fire as well and the North Island Junior drivers. 😂 . nobody can do anything properly in NZ according to you 2 blokes ?? 🤣 

Those juniors (except Delaney who doesn't drive much) seem ok in their records , and accusing them of not thinking of safety is a bit harsh. I'm sure they're better than that? and Coppins just won 5 races the first day at Hawera. Don't see you guys congratulating that fine effort ?lol.  🤭 probably Not good enough 😉 

But on a more reflective note , since you feel sorry for BECKER getting the run around and  nearly hitting the grass twice in one race, here's a funny 'Bit of a Yarn' just for you. 40 years ago almost to the day Feb 86' , the original BECKER was exported to Aus as a maiden from the North island. The purchaser hoping the horse by sire 'Lonero' might have a fraction of the ability of the Australian Derby winner that year in My Lightning Blue (probably the only good horse by Lonero ever😎 , and went on and won the NZ Cup)  But BECKER was one of those horses that couldn't win , even though we were running slow 2.04-2.08 mile rates those days , and had about 30 seconds in race career from memory and only 1 or 2 wins. He was backed off the map at his first start in Aus after arriving ( to win about 40k 💰 I think it was from the Bookies. I remember helping get some of it on ) at some country obscure maiden race. but the Bugger Becker galloped at the start and lost about 40m 🙄, then battled back into it and ran 2nd. No collect lol. A real flopparooney was the old BECKER. they never recovered the purchase price on that horse. He was a bad buy.  A real slow one lol. just the sort you could send to Hawera ? to flop around lol . 40 years on . a 'Becker' memory revived lol 😂

[Nowornever]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

Might as well throw the Stipes on the bon-fire as well

Seems they are doing quite well shooting themselves in the foot without having to throw them on the bonfire.

[the galah]

5 hours ago, Nowornever said:

It is interesting to note the stewards for Hawera were K Coppins (Chairman), S Mulcay, C Lomey, B Bateup  

 

 

i'm not sure,but think if they are related he may be her uncle.

gamma mentioned n delany.He had a reasonable record when diving 3 or 4 years ago

But these days he reminds me of the mother in law.She drives with her foot hard on the acclerator punctuated by lots of  strong braking. Just like the car the mother in law drives,any horse delaney drives won't get many miles to the gallon.

as to the c hackett drive. that drive of hers yeaterday reminded me of the mother in laws driving when she had a stiff neck and didn't bother looking to see whats inside her when changing lanes. Only difference was becker had no horn to toot to tell her he was going to crash if she kept coming.

[Brodie]

6 hours ago, Gammalite said:

well another damning report from the Galah , to go along with Brodie's constant critical analysis of HRNZ, Entain, ATC and North Island racing , and feature racing and anything else that encompasses Nz Harness racing, including the Programmer and the Starter . you Might as well throw the Stipes on the bon-fire as well and the North Island Junior drivers. 😂 . nobody can do anything properly in NZ according to you 2 blokes ?? 🤣 

Those juniors (except Delaney who doesn't drive much) seem ok in their records , and accusing them of not thinking of safety is a bit harsh. I'm sure they're better than that? and Coppins just won 5 races the first day at Hawera. Don't see you guys congratulating that fine effort ?lol.  🤭 probably Not good enough 😉 

But on a more reflective note , since you feel sorry for BECKER getting the run around and  nearly hitting the grass twice in one race, here's a funny 'Bit of a Yarn' just for you. 40 years ago almost to the day Feb 86' , the original BECKER was exported to Aus as a maiden from the North island. The purchaser hoping the horse by sire 'Lonero' might have a fraction of the ability of the Australian Derby winner that year in My Lightning Blue (probably the only good horse by Lonero ever😎 , and went on and won the NZ Cup)  But BECKER was one of those horses that couldn't win , even though we were running slow 2.04-2.08 mile rates those days , and had about 30 seconds in race career from memory and only 1 or 2 wins. He was backed off the map at his first start in Aus after arriving ( to win about 40k 💰 I think it was from the Bookies. I remember helping get some of it on ) at some country obscure maiden race. but the Bugger Becker galloped at the start and lost about 40m 🙄, then battled back into it and ran 2nd. No collect lol. A real flopparooney was the old BECKER. they never recovered the purchase price on that horse. He was a bad buy.  A real slow one lol. just the sort you could send to Hawera ? to flop around lol . 40 years on . a 'Becker' memory revived lol 😂

Gamma, forums are for discussion and to be fair the ones you mentioned are far from perfect!

Every comment from Brodie is made with the sole purpose of improving harness racing so that it can continue in the future!

I do not believe that we should be accepting of mediocrity if racing is to continue!

 

[Gammalite]

6 hours ago, Brodie said:

Gamma, forums are for discussion and to be fair the ones you mentioned are far from perfect!

Every comment from Brodie is made with the sole purpose of improving harness racing so that it can continue in the future!

I do not believe that we should be accepting of mediocrity if racing is to continue!

 

Fancy calling the great sport in NZ mediocre. Never before have the horses gone so fast , and races run for money than ever before with MANY great incentives like Slot races and that. The horsepeople some of the most experienced and Respected on the planet.  Alas the Aussies have plundered them past 3 years because of the AMAZING NZ racing put on by the Amazing HRNZ.  

No ones perfect Brodster. But one should appreciate the efforts of the people involved in the industry as much as criticise them.  Rules and regulations are in place for a Reason. Stake money is allocated at certain rates for a reason (that is unfortunately beyond your understanding) The ratings system for horses is applied For a reason. 

They've been formed over 100 years. The NZ harness community and it's racing and it's participants are World Class already. Some of the greatest horsemen in the world (and horses) are from NewZealand and are that because of the great conditions that were supplied by the clubs and HRNZ to give them that opportunity. Your criticism doesn't improve anything 'Jack shit' to be honest. 😂  Chief doesn't even bother writing to you now. you've killed the sport. 

just hangs shit on heaps of kiwis doing their jobs. Not everyone does there job the same as the next person. 

SOMETIMES you just have to Accept the Decision that is made by Stipes , or by a driver, or by a bookie , or why they have mile racing (there's the obvious answer to that you just refuse to understand)  or why they have Betting limits (which is actually so obvious, it slaps everyone in the face like a wet fish ) except you old mate. under the rock .lol 😉🍋😁