Thomass Posted Thursday at 08:53 PM Posted Thursday at 08:53 PM Long story short...Billy Jacobson 'instructs' an apprentice to "not f in come in there"...during a race...rides his horse into the app's horse after the race...app attempts to strike silly Billy..misses..hits Billy's horse in the head...all hell breaks loose in the Jockeys room...in the weeks after, the stress hits the apprentice Ayush Mudhoo and in a weak moment has a spot of Mexican marching substance...phew Mudhoo gets a month off for the assault on silly Billy and 8 months for imbibing with the Mexicans...all in all it's a shit show down Sth and thank the gods in himmel the Norf Island jockeys dont do this stuff “On the 30th of November 2025, at Cromwell Racecourse, Class B Apprentice Jockey, Ayush Mudhoo, did misconduct himself by attempting to strike Jockey, Bill Jacobson, with his whip following the running of Race 8, and by being verbally abusive toward that Rider in the weighing room, in breach of Rule 800(1) and subject to penalty under Rule in 803(1) of the NZTR Rules of Racing”. Both Mudhoo and Class A Jockey, Billy Jacobson (Jacobson), were riding at the Otago Racing Club’s two-day meeting at Cromwell. Following the running of Race 8 on the second day, Sunday 30 November 2025, an altercation occurred upon pulling up. 3. Mudhoo was riding ON FILE and finished 10th of 13 runners. Jacobson was riding UGO and finished 9th. 4. As Mudhoo was turning his mount to head back to the birdcage, Jacobson deliberately rode UGO into the side of ON FILE, with his horse’s nose contacting Mudhoo’s side, the impact causing him to become unbalanced in the saddle. 5. Jacobson made comment similar to “I told you not to f….n’ come in there” and the pair exchanged words. 6. The initial contact is captured on Trackside footage, but then the coverage ends. 7. Mudhoo reacted by attempting to strike Jacobson with his whip, but missed, hitting UGO forcefully in the top of the head area. As he recoiled his arm, he lost his grip on the whip dropping it. 8. Their remonstrations were loud enough to attract the attention of fellow riders and the pair continued to abuse each other as they cantered to the birdcage. 9. While in the weighing room, the pair continued their disagreement. Jacobson told Mudhoo there was no room for him to shift in when racing to his outside down the back straight. 10. The discussion intensified and the pair came together face-to-face. 11. Stipendiary Steward, Mark Davidson, asked both riders to desist, but was ignored. Their language and demeanour became more heated, resulting in Mr Davidson stepping in and pushing them apart. To separate the pair, he directed Jacobson go to the Jockeys’ room and Mudhoo to the Stewards’ room. 12. The Stewards’ review of the race footage did not reveal any breaches of the rules by Mudhoo during the running of the race. 13. A veterinary examination of UGO revealed no injury caused by the strike. 14. When interviewed by Stewards, Jacobson admitted trotting up to Mudhoo, but denied it was intentional, stating that he was trying to stop his horse. He admitted that he “lost his cool” when Mudhoo “got in his face”. 15. When interviewed by Stewards, Mudhoo admitted to trying to hit Jacobson with his stick and accidentally striking the horse after Jacobson had ridden his horse into him. He stated that he lost his temper and went on with it in the weighing room. Conclusion 16. The RIB investigation also concludes that Mudhoo has misconducted himself by attempting to strike Jacobson with his whip, unintentionally connecting with his horse’s head and then continuing the conflict aggressively in the weighing room. 17. Mudhoo has no previous NRI charges. THE VIDEO EVIDENCE: Video replays were shown to the hearing. One replay showed the field pulling up past the winning post after the race. Mr Jacobson’s mount could be seen at the back of the field, some distance behind the other runners, having been the first to pull up, Mr Irving said. On another replay, Mr Irving pointed out Mr Mudhoo’s mount, amongst runners, turning to return to the birdcage and Mr Jacbson approaching. He then showed Mr Jacobson deliberately riding up to Mr Mudhoo, and the nose of Mr Jacobson’s runner contact Mr Mudhoo’s midriff. Mr Mudhoo could be clearly seen to “shift sideways” from the impact. Mr Mudhoo’s reaction was not captured on a replay, but Mr Mudhoo demonstrated to the hearing how he reacted, and added that he missed Mr Jacobson, and struck Mr Jacobson’s mount on the head, he said. Mr Irving submitted that Mr Mudhoo’s reaction was a “normal human reaction”, to strike back. Mr Irving said that Mr Mudhoo was “pretty annoyed” at getting hit by Mr Jacobson’s horse. This was out of character for Mr Mudhoo, Stewards had confirmed to him. Mr Carston said likewise. PENALTY SUBMISSIONS OF INFORMANT Introduction 1. The Respondent, Ayush Mudhoo, is a Class B Licensed Jockey. He is 21 years old and is indentured to trainer Andrew Carston at Riccarton. He has held an Apprentice Licence since the 2023/24 season and has had 169 raceday rides in those three years. 2. He has admitted a charge of breaching Rule 800(1) – Misconduct, following an incident at the conclusion of Race 8 at the Otago RC meeting at Cromwell on 30 November 2025. Purpose of penalties 3. Penalties are designed to punish the offender for his/her wrongdoing. They are not meant to be retributive in the sense the punishment is disproportionate to the offence, but the offender must be met with a punishment. 4. In a racing context, it is extremely important that a penalty has the effect of deterring others from committing similar offences. 5. A penalty should also reflect the disapproval of the Committee for the type of offending in question. 6. The need to rehabilitate the offender should be considered. Principles of sentencing 7. The RIB Penalty Guide for misconduct breaches are “fact dependent”. Misconduct can take many forms and in assessing the level of seriousness of the misconduct, any physical violence must be considered as being at the higher end of the scale. Quote
Murray Fish Posted Thursday at 09:48 PM Posted Thursday at 09:48 PM 50 minutes ago, Thomass said: Long story short sigh... 51 minutes ago, Thomass said: all in all it's a shit show down Sth riding in a race at times leads to split second athletic decisions! not always is the 'correct' option taken! in a very physical works space! things sometimes get messy! 53 minutes ago, Thomass said: thank the gods in himmel the Norf Island jockeys dont do this stuff ummm... proof off? Quote
Thomass Posted Thursday at 10:15 PM Author Posted Thursday at 10:15 PM 17 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: sigh... riding in a race at times leads to split second athletic decisions! not always is the 'correct' option taken! in a very physical works space! things sometimes get messy! ummm... proof off? Why are you sighing? Can you not read? Silly Billy deliberately used his horse as a battering ram AFTER the race If that's your idea of "messy" in an attempt to soft sell this appalling action then take a look in the mirror Silly will get 3 times what the apprentice did...3 months at least 1 Quote
Murray Fish Posted Friday at 02:21 AM Posted Friday at 02:21 AM 4 hours ago, Thomass said: AFTER the race for a perceived dangerous maneuver during the race! perhaps wasting involved?? split second decisions.. btw, also, the Kurow track like all the small tracks here in the deep south has its ups and downs and riders hardly haven ridden on the track... 1 Quote
Thomass Posted Friday at 09:56 AM Author Posted Friday at 09:56 AM 7 hours ago, Murray Fish said: for a perceived dangerous maneuver during the race! perhaps wasting involved?? split second decisions.. btw, also, the Kurow track like all the small tracks here in the deep south has its ups and downs and riders hardly haven ridden on the track... last time I was down there Cromwell was 2 hrs drive away from Kurow...has the Southern Fault defaulted already..like your immoral stand? Did you say this "Reflecting my long history of being involved in 'anti violence men education...'. " perhaps Mudhoo didn't hear Silly Billy? even if he did you're condoning using an animal to attack another human? The race was well over when he rode his horse into another jockey...nothing split about it "anti violence" you aint 1 Quote
Murray Fish Posted Friday at 07:50 PM Posted Friday at 07:50 PM 9 hours ago, Thomass said: "anti violence" you aint actually, my long history in that field of life suggest otherwise! having said that, I am not like Christian dogmatic about it! there are Degrees of agression... as in this case!!!! In The Heat if The moment! ps. any truth that Billy had a knife in his back pocket!? 😁 Quote
Thomass Posted yesterday at 11:12 PM Author Posted yesterday at 11:12 PM On 31/01/2026 at 8:50 AM, Murray Fish said: actually, my long history in that field of life suggest otherwise! having said that, I am not like Christian dogmatic about it! there are Degrees of agression... as in this case!!!! In The Heat if The moment! ps. any truth that Billy had a knife in his back pocket!? 😁 No wonder we still have one of the highest rates of violent aggression if you've been 'sorting it out' with a "long history" The FACT that Mudhoo had maintained his length and another length (the rule) for the entire race, according to stipes, shows Silly Billy was bullying this apprentice in the run Senior jockeys bullying apprentices is rife through the years The race in which Megan Taylor died showed yet another example Before the race senior jockey Chadhoorey asked Denby-Rose what her tactics were (something that should be banned) and upon finding out told her to "stay clear of me" Entering the straight he then shouted her name 3 times...perhaps this resulted in her panicking.. soon after Megan Taylor met her deadly fate with Denby-Rose being charged with careless riding Bullying, riding horses into other horses after the race, striking other jockeys et el ...has NO PLACE on a race course no matter how laissez faire you want to be Silly Billy deserves at least 3 months DQ but he'll probably get 6 weeks thanks to sops like you Quote
Murray Fish Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 3 hours ago, Thomass said: thanks to sops like you yeah right! I will say my insults when I am standing in front of you! Do you get out much, or is it 100% social media worrier! baby!! Ponder this, most times I am on course I will have a brief chat with the stipes on that day! I do find that they give me their time and ear! 95% of the time the topic will be 'unsafe tracks' perhaps that is the approach that you might like to try! re Jockeys, On the surface, there is a lot of gilts and glamour! In reality many are often challenged with weight and the reality of 'dieting' and the challengers that go with that sort of thing! Then having to produce top physical and split second decisions in the race! mistakes are made! rules are broken! The best stipes know that and take that on board! Then of course! Any 'work place' mistake can get serious media spotlight! I could continue in this vain! but sigh! I really am getting tire with 'things racing', very soon I will be gone.... 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 10 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: I could continue in this vain! but sigh! I really am getting tire with 'things racing', very soon I will be gone.... I'm getting sick and tired of the old men and women moaning about every little thing they can find with what they perceive to be wrong. Yes @Freda I'll quote from the Leo Molloy playbook - most of them haven't acheived a great deal of success in racing and are blaming anything they can find for that lack of success. Racing is a tough brutal game for lots of reasons not the least of which is you are dealing with a 500kg animal that is not only tough but fragile, that is not only smart but dumb. PS: @Murray Fish I don't put you in the moaner category by a long way. 1 Quote
Thomass Posted 20 hours ago Author Posted 20 hours ago 36 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: yeah right! I will say my insults when I am standing in front of you! Do you get out much, or is it 100% social media worrier! baby!! Ponder this, most times I am on course I will have a brief chat with the stipes on that day! I do find that they give me their time and ear! 95% of the time the topic will be 'unsafe tracks' perhaps that is the approach that you might like to try! re Jockeys, On the surface, there is a lot of gilts and glamour! In reality many are often challenged with weight and the reality of 'dieting' and the challengers that go with that sort of thing! Then having to produce top physical and split second decisions in the race! mistakes are made! rules are broken! The best stipes know that and take that on board! Then of course! Any 'work place' mistake can get serious media spotlight! I could continue in this vain! but sigh! I really am getting tire with 'things racing', very soon I will be gone.... I've used your favourite AI tool "AI Overview Whether there is any "excuse" for human physical violence is a complex question that depends on whether one is looking for a legal, ethical, or moral justification. While advocates and experts agree that there is never an excuse for domestic abuse, intimate partner violence, or acts of power and control, certain, narrow, and specific circumstances are generally recognized where the use of physical force may be legally and ethically justified. Widely Recognized Justifications Self-Defense: The most universally accepted justification for physical violence is to protect oneself from an immediate, imminent threat of serious physical harm. Defense of Others: Similar to self-defense, using reasonable force to protect another person from an active, violent attack is often considered justifiable. Preventing Imminent Harm (Defense of Property/Others): In some jurisdictions, reasonable force may be used to prevent a crime from being committed, such as stopping a burglary or preventing a child from running into danger. Law Enforcement: The use of force is legally sanctioned for police officers in specific, regulated situations to maintain public safety or apprehend suspects. Key Conditions for Justification For violence to be considered legally or ethically justified, it generally must meet strict criteria: Proportionality: The force used must match the level of the threat (i.e., you cannot use deadly force against a non-deadly threat). Imminence: The threat must be happening now, not a past or future threat. Reasonableness: The action must be what a "reasonable person" would do in that situation. Contextual Distinctions No Excuse for Abuse: Violence used to control, intimidate, or harm a partner or family member is never justified, regardless of provocation, stress, or the influence of alcohol/drugs. Retaliation vs. Defense: Hitting someone back after they have stopped attacking is considered retaliation or revenge, not self-defense, and is not legally excused. Philosophical Views: While some, such as pacifists, argue that violence is never moral, others argue that violence can be a justifiable "last resort" to uphold justice, protect the vulnerable, or defend a community. In summary, while "excuses" are often offered to rationalize violent outbursts (such as "I was drunk" or "I was provoked"), these are not accepted as valid justifications for abuse. The only generally accepted, narrow exceptions are restricted to immediate, proportional defense of life and safety." So, NO is the answer...obviously You can make up all the excuses in the 'violence' World...wasting, heat of the moment (after the race is NOT hotm) wife didn't cook her partners eggs properly, et el It's NEVER justified and if you still think it is then i suggest you hand in your counselling badge Quote
Chief Stipe Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 3 hours ago, Thomass said: So, NO is the answer...obviously You can make up all the excuses in the 'violence' World...wasting, heat of the moment (after the race is NOT hotm) wife didn't cook her partners eggs properly, et el It's NEVER justified and if you still think it is then i suggest you hand in your counselling badge When was the last competitive sport you competed in @Thomass aka @bono ? Let me guess tiddlewinks at the local RSA? Sorry I meant indoor bowls. I tell you now in my sporting career I had my elbows out and so did everyone else. Quote
Thomass Posted 1 hour ago Author Posted 1 hour ago 17 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: When was the last competitive sport you competed in @Thomass aka @bono ? Let me guess tiddlewinks at the local RSA? Sorry I meant indoor bowls. I tell you now in my sporting career I had my elbows out and so did everyone else. From someone who sees nothing wrong in striking a horse between the ears with a whip I'm certainly not surprised you find nothing wrong with a jockey elbowing a woman in the neck/chest Liam Lawson's old boss commented on him "driving with his elbows out" and thankfully ALL sporting codes have rules that prevent basic cheating Like jockeys elbowing others..highly dangerous and illegal The RIB should be ashamed of themselves for saying 'he's very lucky he's not on an extra charge' maybe once I've sent 'bono's screenshot (thanks bono) they'll realise how gutless they are Quote
Murray Fish Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 8 minutes ago, Thomass said: maybe once I've sent 'bono's screenshot (thanks bono) they'll realise how gutless they are report it to the Police! Quote
Chief Stipe Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 35 minutes ago, Thomass said: maybe once I've sent 'bono's screenshot (thanks bono) they'll realise how gutless they are You are sending them to yourself? Quote
Chief Stipe Posted 55 minutes ago Posted 55 minutes ago 44 minutes ago, Thomass said: From someone who sees nothing wrong in striking a horse between the ears with a whip I'm certainly not surprised you find nothing wrong with a jockey elbowing a woman in the neck/chest What does the fact Fawcett being a woman have anything to do with it? I thought violence was non-discriminatory? 45 minutes ago, Thomass said: Like jockeys elbowing others..highly dangerous and illegal The RIB should be ashamed of themselves for saying 'he's very lucky he's not on an extra charge' Maybe they took into account the provocation from Fawcett? She initiated the incident with a highly dangerous and illegal action e.g. pushing out and continuing to do so. Pinn fought to maintain his line although we are all speculating until we see the stewards vision. I would say her anger took over as well because if she had been fully focussing on her ride she would have noticed there was a better run home on the inside. Quote
curious Posted 47 minutes ago Posted 47 minutes ago 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: What does the fact Fawcett being a woman have anything to do with it? I thought violence was non-discriminatory? Maybe they took into account the provocation from Fawcett? She initiated the incident with a highly dangerous and illegal action e.g. pushing out and continuing to do so. Pinn fought to maintain his line although we are all speculating until we see the stewards vision. I would say her anger took over as well because if she had been fully focussing on her ride she would have noticed there was a better run home on the inside. And you could argue that Pinn's right elbow is out as result of him trying to steer his horse back onto the line she is trying to push him off. One of those pics look like she's trying to give Billy a cuddle! Quote
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