January turnover:stakes data

[curious]

It's interesting if you look at the Ellerslie figures above, turnover is well up but turnover per starter well down. Oncourse also down. Not sure what to make of that.

[hesi]

I lived in Waharoa (just north of Matamata) for a while, working in the now defunct dairy factory.  A group of us would never miss a mid-week race meeting in the region.  Got to know a few racing people and there was always a usually very accurate tip out for a Matamata horse.  That is racing for the mad keen enthusiast punter, so many of us were like that in those days, perhaps because there was not a lot else to do, other than live in the now also defunct Waharoa Tavern.

I always felt that Ellerslie missed the boat when they went corporate/elitist, missing out on many of these enthusiasts and also general race-goers who just wanted a relaxing day out at the races, so now they stay at home.

There is no reason why Ellerslie cannot offer both options.  Many sports and entertainment venues offer the full range to meet all customer expectations, from upmarket to budget

Edited 2 hours ago by hesi

[Murray Fish]

1 hour ago, hesi said:

In recent times, because elsewhere I have learnt about the concept of finding value, it has been fuller and more competitive fields

I would be the opposite!    I  prefer to actually back winners and find that it is way easier when the fields are smaller and so-call weaker!!! 

best value = winning bet!

[hesi]

4 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

I would be the opposite!    I  prefer to actually back winners and find that it is way easier when the fields are smaller and so-call weaker!!! 

best value = winning bet!

Not if you want to make money long term

[Murray Fish]

31 minutes ago, hesi said:

Not if you want to make money long term

sigh, fact, I DO make money,  (though the last two years all via Dodger$ winning two WS)  partly by having a iron discipline and avoiding  listening to all the 'hype around value'.  If you are talking betting on horses, then you  have to  have a ability to actually be betting on horses that 'run in the money'! (personally,  if I was going to have Racing a area of betting, then Laying bets looks attractive)

That is So much easier when the actual runners in a race decrease!

The extra CHAOS that happens in all races rather  Increases with every runner added to a field!  I recon what also happens if you regularly bet into larger fields is that it is so easy for silly 'cognitive bias's' kicking in around 'bad luck' etc..  I  'watch' multi 1000's of races where i don't bet!   For any race meeting,  the first thing I look for are the races with 10 and under starters!!! Then spend some brain power looking for the form races leading into the race!  But for me, the real key is how they Present on the Day, how they prelim,  how they look around at the start, 95% of my bets go on then! Other than say a Melb Cup,  I almost always stick to  Win bets 15% take out.  If I was needing to punt to make a living,  then I recon the Show bet is the way to go! To me that is actually the brave bet over time. The take out rates for Q and Tri etc are vulgarly large! You are welcomed  to throw money into them! 

Having said that all,  'each to their own'.

To finish, if you ever find yourself in Dunedin with spare time, look me up! also, my days with anything to do 'racing' is steadily counting down...