Why Slot races work for ALL industry participants ,including Birchip.

[Gammalite]

Well unfortunately with the Cambridge Slot race thread , we can see there no fans of Slot racing at BOAY. even with some of the Best horses on the planet attending like past winners Copy That , Just Believe, Leap To Fame and potentially Keayang Zahara this year . Such a treat for All to see.

The arguement being it's for Rich Folk, or a Poor betting race or a waste of money .  

Just wanted to help you harness race loving BOAY folk with development of the sport, and inform that in about an hour , in VICTORIA country, 300kms from Melbourne at Birchip . they are running the first ever Victorian harness racing Slot race.  (The last race at Birchip today race 7) . 

Victoria has more people than NZ and about the same size harness racing participation.  Stakemoney is very low these days with lots of participants and little betting revenue. 

The BIRCHIP slot race involves 10 slots worth $10k each for 2 year minimum (so 20k for each Slot.)  to allow the chance of a battler actually earning a BIG race Win.  

Plenty of local companies have bought slots and they are having a great day out ,  and the prize of the race is $125 k total   . $65,000 for the winner, $25,000 for 2nd etc. 

Local horses from any Victorian stable as from December 1  , can go in .

The favourite today is number One . a Horse with just 6 starts and 2 wins and $7000 earnings to date. No Mega Star by any stretch of the imagination. most of the runners are career earnings average of about 70k lifetime and are all battlers . I think they'll beat the number one , just with being more experienced. but you never know. 

Someone will win $65,000 today in just one hit in an hours time 👍💰 . There you go !  . Some real grass roots participants enjoying a Slot race and getting a quid !! 💰

No . Victoria will not call it off because they have to put up $25,000 of the purse. and BOAY would cry 'waste of money' ( actually there's a sponsor helping out as well with that)

  

But wow . !!! how good . horses and people we never heard of EMBRACING the excellent Slot race Concept to help a struggling Industry with a 'User Pays Concept'. excellent stuff.

I'm glad to see Someone enjoying their harness slots operating in the true Community manner . congratulations BIRCHIP with the 'Running of the Bulls' 

More progress for the sport like NZ has done ,  with the Velocity and Ascent and TAB trot and Betcha race. ( unless you think it's a 'disgrace' and waste of money' that is ,lol 😉) 

[Brodie]

3 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Well unfortunately with the Cambridge Slot race thread , we can see there no fans of Slot racing at BOAY. even with some of the Best horses on the planet attending like past winners Copy That , Just Believe, Leap To Fame and potentially Keayang Zahara this year . Such a treat for All to see.

The arguement being it's for Rich Folk, or a Poor betting race or a waste of money .  

Just wanted to help you harness race loving BOAY folk with development of the sport, and inform that in about an hour , in VICTORIA country, 300kms from Melbourne at Birchip . they are running the first ever Victorian harness racing Slot race.  (The last race at Birchip today race 7) . 

Victoria has more people than NZ and about the same size harness racing participation.  Stakemoney is very low these days with lots of participants and little betting revenue. 

The BIRCHIP slot race involves 10 slots worth $10k each for 2 year minimum (so 20k for each Slot.)  to allow the chance of a battler actually earning a BIG race Win.  

Plenty of local companies have bought slots and they are having a great day out ,  and the prize of the race is $125 k total   . $65,000 for the winner, $25,000 for 2nd etc. 

Local horses from any Victorian stable as from December 1  , can go in .

The favourite today is number One . a Horse with just 6 starts and 2 wins and $7000 earnings to date. No Mega Star by any stretch of the imagination. most of the runners are career earnings average of about 70k lifetime and are all battlers . I think they'll beat the number one , just with being more experienced. but you never know. 

Someone will win $65,000 today in just one hit in an hours time 👍💰 . There you go !  . Some real grass roots participants enjoying a Slot race and getting a quid !! 💰

No . Victoria will not call it off because they have to put up $25,000 of the purse. and BOAY would cry 'waste of money' ( actually there's a sponsor helping out as well with that)

  

But wow . !!! how good . horses and people we never heard of EMBRACING the excellent Slot race Concept to help a struggling Industry with a 'User Pays Concept'. excellent stuff.

I'm glad to see Someone enjoying their harness slots operating in the true Community manner . congratulations BIRCHIP with the 'Running of the Bulls' 

More progress for the sport like NZ has done ,  with the Velocity and Ascent and TAB trot and Betcha race. ( unless you think it's a 'disgrace' and waste of money' that is ,lol 😉) 

Why doesnt Harness Racing Victoria put in a couple of hundred thousand like HRNZ are doing?

Slot races are fine Gammalite, but hRNZ can not afford to heavily subsidise these races!

The other thing of major concern is the fact that the money is going to go to Ozzie probably, so thats a big win for NZ lol

 Victoria and Queensland are only being held together by state government and Seymour and there is no one in NZ that is going to be doing that here!!

Edited 21 hours ago by Brodie

[Gammalite]

59 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Why doesnt Harness Racing Victoria put in a couple of hundred thousand like HRNZ are doing?

Slot races are fine Gammalite, but hRNZ can not afford to heavily subsidise these races!

The other thing of major concern is the fact that the money is going to go to Ozzie probably, so thats a big win for NZ lol

 Victoria and Queensland are only being held together by state government and Seymour and there is no one in NZ that is going to be doing that here!!

A nice idea Brodster but Victoria harness is broke.  just been propped by the Vic State government for 2 years very recently.  HRV run tough/rough  compared to HRNZ which do a better job IMO.  

They only ran the biggest feature there recently the Hunter Cup for tiny $142,000 for the winner. who was Swayzee. A very disappointing amount really ?just tiny $37k for 2nd. we just aren't capable of running the good races like NZ most of the time.

Swayzee received $412,000 and then $540,000 for his 2 NZ Cup wins.  maybe that's a wee bit too much?  I guess it's the biggest race going there. The Miracle Mile next week that Swayzee races in is worth $550,000 for the winner . He got $60,000 for  running 4th in it last year. 

Guess you should have some Million dollar races for the elite runners? but it's not the end of the world if we don't. they're (Standardbreds)  only small fry compared to gallopers expenses and purchase prices and running costs.  

Considering that a 6 start 2 wins horse won $65,000 at far out as BIRCHIP in the Bush today, it just seems Slot races were a way we could FUND races better . For All classes . Just like the 6 start winner today. 'Wicked Confession' did win the race for James Herbertson today , and added $65k to his earnings. (which were $7000 before today) 

and yes too,  unfortunately too much money going to Australia last few years.🙄  I don't like that either as is no help to your local owners pockets.  so they should be Banned. Ban Aussie trained runners, and if they want to run in NZ features the Aussie horse would have to domicile in NZ with a NZ trainer to support the industry there, for Minimum 3 months or something like that to be eligible. there's Just too many raiders at present. (even though I like them lol😎)

[the galah]

No ones ever said anything negative about the concept of slot races.

the arguments are always about how they are funded.

The cambridge club was very poorly run by all reports and part of their huge debt was from running the slot races.

Thats why HRNZ stepped in and said,the nz harness industry  can take the financial hit instead of cambridge.

if you can give a reason why cambridge thought it was ok to add to their huge debt by running slot races,we would be happy to hear it.

You will find in 2 or 3 years time,hrnz announcing say a $1000 stake cut for lower grade horses at tracks like cambridge and that will be linked to the likes of the losses generated by overspending on the likes of slot races.So,if slots are funded by hrnz,its the grass roots who will end up paying the price.

Edited 8 hours ago by the galah

[Gammalite]

56 minutes ago, the galah said:

Thats why HRNZ stepped in and said,the nz harness industry  can take the financial hit instead of cambridge.

if you can give a reason why cambridge thought it was ok to add to their huge debt by running slot races,we would be happy to hear it.

It's just one race.  (Run annually)  or 4 races if you count the 1/2 million dollar trot at Cambridge and the Ascent and Velocity at Addington.

It's not a straw breaking the camels back you all claim it to be. 

A huge amount of the Stake money is SUPPLIED by the owners/ Slot holders to run those events , or they wouldn't happen.  I believe the total for the four races is $2,500,000 per year. 

Come on Guys  !! so if the Slots sell for $1,400,000 for the FOUR races . that leaves just $1,100,000 that HRNZ spend to have FOUR of the TOP Races EVER SEEN each year, with the BEST COMPETITORS . definition. 

Best Competitors being the TOP owners, TOP Horses, Top trainers in 2 countries !

WOW WEEEE They Showcase Our Amazing Sport to the Whole World 🇳🇿🌏 . Attracting INTERNATIONAL Attention, and buyers Into our horse Market ( like Mike Tanev from Canada for example)  a real BOOST for the Industry. 

and you BOAY fellows say . Don't Have them . Waste of money .  $1,100,000 is too much for HRNZ to put in and run $ of the TOP races each year. ??   that's just fossil stuff . heads in the sand.

Gallopers have a bloody million dollar race Every week of the year nearly. why should they have all the fun ????

We Are broke in Queensland too, But still put on the INTERDOMINION each year. Something HRNZ won't do because it costs too much run sadly. Just as you guys say . So Queensland do it anyway and pop in the entire $1,500,000 annually .  a very large amount for a struggling harness industry ?.  which a big chunk goes to Leap To Fame everytime 😆 . but whatever lol  . It's good for the TRADITION and Spectacle of our fantastic  Sport. 

It Keeps people aspiring to win BIG prizes.  IMO they should run our Time Honoured Tradition as a SLOT Event and have Participant funding. It will come to that one day. Mark my words. The advantages of Slot racing are 10 Fold over what happens now. (relying on Entain , sponsor or Sires Stakes , etc funding)  the Interdominion will join in one day. 

and BOAY says "Don't have them ' lol.  worried about the budget lol. Best million dollars 💰 HRNZ ever spend each year. 4 great races enjoyed around the world.  good on ya BOAY !!!! progressive lot you are. 😁😎😋   

 

[Brodie]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

No ones ever said anything negative about the concept of slot races.

the arguments are always about how they are funded.

The cambridge club was very poorly run by all reports and part of their huge debt was from running the slot races.

Thats why HRNZ stepped in and said,the nz harness industry  can take the financial hit instead of cambridge.

if you can give a reason why cambridge thought it was ok to add to their huge debt by running slot races,we would be happy to hear it.

You will find in 2 or 3 years time,hrnz announcing say a $1000 stake cut for lower grade horses at tracks like cambridge and that will be linked to the likes of the losses generated by overspending on the likes of slot races.So,if slots are funded by hrnz,its the grass roots who will end up paying the price.

Galah, $1k drops in stakes for lower grade horses?

What were the stakes for Cambridge etc. before Entain came with the dollars?

Stakes in a couple of years are going to be a helluva lot less than a $1k drop!

 

[Brodie]

29 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

It's just one race.  (Run annually)  or 4 races if you count the 1/2 million dollar trot at Cambridge and the Ascent and Velocity at Addington.

It's not a straw breaking the camels back you all claim it to be. 

A huge amount of the Stake money is SUPPLIED by the owners/ Slot holders to run those events , or they wouldn't happen.  I believe the total for the four races is $2,500,000 per year. 

Come on Guys  !! so if the Slots sell for $1,400,000 for the FOUR races . that leaves just $1,100,000 that HRNZ spend to have FOUR of the TOP Races EVER SEEN each year, with the BEST COMPETITORS . definition. 

Best Competitors being the TOP owners, TOP Horses, Top trainers in 2 countries !

WOW WEEEE They Showcase Our Amazing Sport to the Whole World 🇳🇿🌏 . Attracting INTERNATIONAL Attention, and buyers Into our horse Market ( like Mike Tanev from Canada for example)  a real BOOST for the Industry. 

and you BOAY fellows say . Don't Have them . Waste of money .  $1,100,000 is too much for HRNZ to put in and run $ of the TOP races each year. ??   that's just fossil stuff . heads in the sand.

Gallopers have a bloody million dollar race Every week of the year nearly. why should they have all the fun ????

We Are broke in Queensland too, But still put on the INTERDOMINION each year. Something HRNZ won't do because it costs too much run sadly. Just as you guys say . So Queensland do it anyway and pop in the entire $1,500,000 annually .  a very large amount for a struggling harness industry ?.  which a big chunk goes to Leap To Fame everytime 😆 . but whatever lol  . It's good for the TRADITION and Spectacle of our fantastic  Sport. 

It Keeps people aspiring to win BIG prizes.  IMO they should run our Time Honoured Tradition as a SLOT Event and have Participant funding. It will come to that one day. Mark my words. The advantages of Slot racing are 10 Fold over what happens now. (relying on Entain , sponsor or Sires Stakes , etc funding)  the Interdominion will join in one day. 

and BOAY says "Don't have them ' lol.  worried about the budget lol. Best million dollars 💰 HRNZ ever spend each year. 4 great races enjoyed around the world.  good on ya BOAY !!!! progressive lot you are. 😁😎😋   

 

Gamma, you just can not chuck money into something when you just havent got it?

HRNZ have massive problems going forward!