Dark Beau Posted May 26 Posted May 26 If that's that case, why did 143 horse's participate in the jump-outs (trials) today? Quote
Huey Posted May 26 Posted May 26 Fools & crooks at the helm! If they pull the plug on venues like Levin there can be no confusion over the agenda at play. 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 26 Posted May 26 8 hours ago, Dark Beau said: If that's that case, why did 143 horse's participate in the jump-outs (trials) today? Isn't the question - could they have been held somewhere else? Quote
Muzza Posted May 27 Posted May 27 39 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Isn't the question - could they have been held somewhere else? Answer is NO. Levin a providing a marvellous facility and service at no cost to the industry. Don't be a prat. 2 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 27 Posted May 27 39 minutes ago, Muzza said: Answer is NO. Levin a providing a marvellous facility and service at no cost to the industry. Don't be a prat. I don't disagree that they are providing a service to the industry. However it isn't at "no cost to the industry". I'll put my question another way - could the unofficial trials (jump outs) have been held at Foxton 19km down the road? Quote
curious Posted May 27 Posted May 27 26 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I don't disagree that they are providing a service to the industry. However it isn't at "no cost to the industry". I'll put my question another way - could the unofficial trials (jump outs) have been held at Foxton 19km down the road? I'm curious as to where nztr think they could be run. I doubt Foxton is an option if it is to continue to run 10 or 12 trial meetings a year. That's plenty for that track to cope with alongside its usage for training. 1 1 Quote
Muzza Posted May 27 Posted May 27 28 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I don't disagree that they are providing a servuice to the industry. However it isn't at "no cost to the industry". I'll put my question another way - could the unofficial trials (jump outs) have been held at Foxton 19km down the road? Up the road actually. And how is it a cost to the industry pray tell. Apart from being a source of funding theft. 2 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 27 Posted May 27 53 minutes ago, curious said: I'm curious as to where nztr think they could be run. I'm not NZTR - I just asked the question where else could the once a month jumpouts be run. Other tracks seem to cope with jumpouts, trials and racemeetings. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 27 Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Muzza said: Up the road actually. And how is it a cost to the industry pray tell. Apart from being a source of funding theft. Trainers pay a jumpout fee per horse so I guess Owners pay. Don't understand your "source of funding theft" comment. Quote
Muzza Posted May 27 Posted May 27 46 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Trainers pay a jumpout fee per horse so I guess Owners pay. Don't understand your "source of funding theft" comment. What part of "theft" do you not understand. Fees are paid no matter where you run. Levin costs the industry zilch. In fact they are helping the industry. It is a much needed and desired asset to many participants. Why would you change that. Oh that's right. Steal their assets. 2 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 27 Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Muzza said: What part of "theft" do you not understand. Fees are paid no matter where you run. Levin costs the industry zilch. In fact they are helping the industry. It is a much needed and desired asset to many participants. Why would you change that. Oh that's right. Steal their assets. Are they Levin's assets or Racings? They developed those assets for the sole purpose of Racing. Perhaps the capital invested might be better invested elsewhere. Otherwise you have 4 tracks that can't maintain their assets. Quote
curious Posted May 27 Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Are they Levin's assets or Racings? They developed those assets for the sole purpose of Racing. Perhaps the capital invested might be better invested elsewhere. Otherwise you have 4 tracks that can't maintain their assets. What 4 are those? 1 1 Quote
Dark Beau Posted May 27 Author Posted May 27 5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I'm not NZTR - I just asked the question where else could the once a month jumpouts be run. Other tracks seem to cope with jumpouts, trials and racemeetings. To start with, they are sometimes more often than once a month. They held a Point to Point on the course not too many days ago. Maybe 10 or 14. Foxton seems to have two trial meeting in a month sometimes too. Now don't be a prat and prove that I am factionally wrong but the facts of the matter iare that both Levin and Foxton are hugely beneficial to the CD and wouldn't the Northern Guys love such facilities? 3 1 Quote
Huey Posted May 27 Posted May 27 9 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Isn't the question - could they have been held somewhere else? Where genius ? Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 27 Posted May 27 14 minutes ago, Huey said: Where genius ? 24 or so heats of 6 horses each once a month doesn't seem too much to hold on a well maintained track. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 27 Posted May 27 2 hours ago, Dark Beau said: To start with, they are sometimes more often than once a month. They average one Jumpout meeting a month. https://www.levinracingclub.co.nz/jumpouts 2 hours ago, Dark Beau said: Now don't be a prat and prove that I am factionally wrong but the facts of the matter iare that both Levin and Foxton are hugely beneficial to the CD and wouldn't the Northern Guys love such facilities? I did't say Levin wasn't beneficial to the CD. But is it sustainable that is does the revenue generated by the Jumpouts produce enough profit to maintain the facilities. Quote
Huey Posted May 27 Posted May 27 9 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: 24 or so heats of 6 horses each once a month doesn't seem too much to hold on a well maintained track. 9 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: 24 or so heats of 6 horses each once a month doesn't seem too much to hold on a well maintained track. Do where answer the question you're so full of hot air. Quote
Huey Posted May 27 Posted May 27 19 hours ago, Muzza said: Answer is NO. Levin a providing a marvellous facility and service at no cost to the industry. Don't be a prat. He isn't being a prat , he doesn't know he is a pretend owner , gets to the races & thinks everything just happens. Not a clue how the industry operates. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 27 Posted May 27 36 minutes ago, Huey said: Do where answer the question you're so full of hot air. I did but your early morning comprehension struggles a bit. Was there a queue in the staff room for coffee? Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 27 Posted May 27 35 minutes ago, Huey said: He isn't being a prat , he doesn't know he is a pretend owner , gets to the races & thinks everything just happens. Not a clue how the industry operates. I assure you I know exactly how the industry operates. Whereas you believe in unsubstantiated conspiracy theories and nameless boogymen you call the mafia Quote
Bloke Posted May 27 Posted May 27 11 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: They average one Jumpout meeting a month. https://www.levinracingclub.co.nz/jumpouts I did't say Levin wasn't beneficial to the CD. But is it sustainable that is does the revenue generated by the Jumpouts produce enough profit to maintain the facilities. Levin would have spent a considerable amount on the tie ups which are very impressive. Just like Auckland did with their upgrade I would suspect that they sold assets to provide the funds to have them built. 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 27 Posted May 27 28 minutes ago, Bloke said: Levin would have spent a considerable amount on the tie ups which are very impressive. Just like Auckland did with their upgrade I would suspect that they sold assets to provide the funds to have them built. Appears so just the same as ATR (Ellerslie did). Did I read somewhere that Levin were selling the property across the road from the track? Levin certainly doesn't have the additional revenue sources that the likes of ATR and Tauherenikau have. Quote
Bloke Posted May 27 Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Appears so just the same as ATR (Ellerslie did). Did I read somewhere that Levin were selling the property across the road from the track? Levin certainly doesn't have the additional revenue sources that the likes of ATR and Tauherenikau have. No, but then they are not recording the massive loses that Auckland are. 4 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 27 Posted May 27 21 minutes ago, Bloke said: No, but then they are not recording the massive loses that Auckland are. That is true but none of them are earning/saving enough to maintain their assets without having to borrow capital in the future. Quote
Huey Posted May 28 Posted May 28 4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I assure you I know exactly how the industry operates. Whereas you believe in unsubstantiated conspiracy theories and nameless boogymen you call the mafia 4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I assure you I know exactly how the industry operates. Whereas you believe in unsubstantiated conspiracy theories and nameless boogymen you call the mafia Try talking to some trainers who aren't wearing Tangerine, you might learn something. 1 Quote
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