Special Agent Posted June 3 Posted June 3 13 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Then what does it cost? If it was than $30 they might make a profit. The fees used to be on the fields, maybe some time ago as I can't find one with that information now. I have a feeling they are around the $90 mark, and $70 for Levin based trainers. Quote
Special Agent Posted June 3 Posted June 3 On 5/31/2026 at 1:47 PM, Chief Stipe said: So 140 x $30 × 12 is "doing more than well"? No wonder so many Clubs can't look after their assets. There are other services required for jumpouts, not all are voluntarily run. These include ambulance, vet, horse ambulance, starter and barrier attendants, tractor driver, secretary, cafeteria staff, birdcage attendant, heat timer and results, gap gate and crossing raker, field marshaller and brand checker. Quote
Special Agent Posted June 3 Posted June 3 On 5/28/2026 at 10:09 AM, Chief Stipe said: Did I read somewhere that Levin were selling the property across the road from the track? Why? How much maintenance at another track do you think that would fund? If the LRC is required to sell as they are a surplus venue, would that not include all real estate owned by the club? Quote
curious Posted June 3 Posted June 3 1 hour ago, Special Agent said: Why? How much maintenance at another track do you think that would fund? If the LRC is required to sell as they are a surplus venue, would that not include all real estate owned by the club? That's a good question but the real estate that is not part of the racetrack is hardly a surplus racing venue is it? Quote
Huey Posted June 3 Posted June 3 You should just stop here @Chief Stipe you're just so out of touch with the industry its laughable , im still reeling from $30 jumpouts claim! Quote
Freda Posted June 3 Posted June 3 48 minutes ago, Huey said: You should just stop here @Chief Stipe you're just so out of touch with the industry its laughable , im still reeling from $30 jumpouts claim! I realise this is completely off track wrt Levin, but Riccartons jumpouts are $30. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted June 3 Posted June 3 10 hours ago, Special Agent said: Is "subsidised" the right word for revenue being received by Otaki? The course rental seems standard, agreed by both parties, and no doubt reviewed on a regular basis. If Otaki is not making enough profit to maintain their assets long term then arguably Levin is being subsidised i.e. they are not paying enough rental. I believe Levin threatened to take their meeting elsewhere at one stage. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted June 3 Posted June 3 10 hours ago, Dark Beau said: Why? What's the "Charity"? Quote
Chief Stipe Posted June 3 Posted June 3 9 hours ago, Special Agent said: There are other services required for jumpouts, not all are voluntarily run. These include ambulance, vet, horse ambulance, starter and barrier attendants, tractor driver, secretary, cafeteria staff, birdcage attendant, heat timer and results, gap gate and crossing raker, field marshaller and brand checker. Which presumably are covered by the fees charged. But it appears the fee is not enough to cover costs. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted June 3 Posted June 3 9 hours ago, Special Agent said: Why? How much maintenance at another track do you think that would fund? If the LRC is required to sell as they are a surplus venue, would that not include all real estate owned by the club? 7 hours ago, curious said: That's a good question but the real estate that is not part of the racetrack is hardly a surplus racing venue is it? The assets and activities of the Club have been acquired and funded under an Incorporated "not-for-profit" Society and Charitable Trusts for the purposes of Racing. It would be a difficult case to prove that any realised gains from the sale of the assets shouldn't go to racing. Realised gains being distributed to members is not a legal option and the only other option is it goes to the Crown. That said the 3 Charitable Trusts controlled by the Incorporated Society were no doubt set up to complicate things. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted June 3 Posted June 3 3 hours ago, Huey said: You should just stop here @Chief Stipe you're just so out of touch with the industry its laughable , im still reeling from $30 jumpouts claim! Yet you don't seem to have any idea. 3 hours ago, Freda said: I realise this is completely off track wrt Levin, but Riccartons jumpouts are $30. I'm waiting for @Huey to call you "out of touch with racing". Quote
curious Posted June 3 Posted June 3 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: The assets and activities of the Club have been acquired and funded under an Incorporated "not-for-profit" Society and Charitable Trusts for the purposes of Racing. It would be a difficult case to prove that any realised gains from the sale of the assets shouldn't go to racing. Realised gains being distributed to members is not a legal option and the only other option is it goes to the Crown. That said the 3 Charitable Trusts controlled by the Incorporated Society were no doubt set up to complicate things. I don't think there is any argument that the track is not owned by the club and therefore subject to the surplus venue processes, should it be deemed "surplus". Quote
Chief Stipe Posted June 3 Posted June 3 5 minutes ago, curious said: I don't think there is any argument that the track is not owned by the club and therefore subject to the surplus venue processes, should it be deemed "surplus". Why then did Levin spend a lot of money with lawyers setting up the current structure? Why does there appear in the accounts to be a large ongoing administration fee? Quote
curious Posted June 3 Posted June 3 Well one of the trusts is to operate the track and another to manage the development adjoining which if I'm not mistaken is on club owned land. What is the admin fee? Quote
curious Posted June 3 Posted June 3 3 hours ago, Freda said: I realise this is completely off track wrt Levin, but Riccartons jumpouts are $30. A re they limited to 3 horses though? Quote
curious Posted June 3 Posted June 3 4 hours ago, Freda said: I realise this is completely off track wrt Levin, but Riccartons jumpouts are $30. $30 at Rangiora too. Quote
Huey Posted June 3 Posted June 3 4 hours ago, Freda said: I realise this is completely off track wrt Levin, but Riccartons jumpouts are $30. Not that it matters ,but are those Waikato style jumpouts or CD style jumpouts? Quote
Chief Stipe Posted June 3 Posted June 3 33 minutes ago, Huey said: Not that it matters ,but are those Waikato style jumpouts or CD style jumpouts? Rangiora and Riccarton are in Canterbury. The more searching question you could have asked was - "Do the Riccarton and Rangiora jumpouts have barrier attendants, cleark of the course and an ambulance in attendance?" Catering being an optional extra. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted June 3 Posted June 3 2 hours ago, curious said: Well one of the trusts is to operate the track and another to manage the development adjoining which if I'm not mistaken is on club owned land. What is the admin fee? You didn't answer the question regarding the complex Trust and IC setup. If the "adjoining development" is owner by the LRC why does it require a separate entity to manage? Quote
Freda Posted June 3 Posted June 3 2 hours ago, curious said: A re they limited to 3 horses though? no, 4. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted June 3 Posted June 3 1 minute ago, Freda said: no, 4. Barrier attendants and Ambo? Quote
Freda Posted June 3 Posted June 3 Just now, Chief Stipe said: Barrier attendants and Ambo? Barrier attendants Quote
curious Posted June 4 Posted June 4 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Rangiora and Riccarton are in Canterbury. The more searching question you could have asked was - "Do the Riccarton and Rangiora jumpouts have barrier attendants, cleark of the course and an ambulance in attendance?" Catering being an optional extra. Rangiora has neither of the latter two and the barrier attendants and starter are volunteer Edited June 4 by curious Quote
Chief Stipe Posted June 4 Posted June 4 46 minutes ago, curious said: Rangiora has neither of the latter two and the barrier attendants and starter are volunteer Presumably licensed? Quote
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