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Fred

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I see in the Informant M Pitman calling for claiming races -this is a good idea but the last time they were tried in N Z they failed. One of the main reasons was the greed of the promoting clubs who demanded a large cut of the action. Properly run they would create interest and participation.

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1 hour ago, Fred said:

I see in the Informant M Pitman calling for claiming races -this is a good idea but the last time they were tried in N Z they failed. One of the main reasons was the greed of the promoting clubs who demanded a large cut of the action. Properly run they would create interest and participation.

I don't remember them in NZ Fred?  How long ago?  

When I was Reefton Secretary 20 years ago I enquired about running them but got told they had no regulations for them and would not allow them.

I think they would be a great idea - the higher your price the more weight you get and maybe a maximum price of $20k or something.  would have created a bit of interest and our club would not have been looking to grab an excessive percentage of the prices.  

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Rogerson would have plenty to go in the claiming races, have never seen him have a stable so full of slow horses in years,most of them couldn’t even compete at any great level at Gisbourne or Wairoa.

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2 minutes ago, CrossCodes said:

Rogerson would have plenty to go in the claiming races, have never seen him have a stable so full of slow horses in years,most of them couldn’t even compete at any great level at Gisbourne or Wairoa.

A couple on Gavelhouse couldn't get the reserve of $500.

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1 hour ago, Freda said:

What hope might you have that even claimers could be handicapped suitably?

I reckon you would weight them by price. Adds in the factor of how low a price do you set against the weight you are prepared to carry. Makes it more interesting and God knows NZ Racing needs an injection of interest.

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14 minutes ago, Thomass said:

No way nod!

I was only in nappies then and I don't recall it...

You sure it wasn't in the 40's...when you were soiling the diapers?

A doubting Thomas

If it had been the forties I would have claimed Kindergarten -I've not seen better

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The weight corresponds to the claiming price -say 50 kgs if the price is $5000 , 57 kgs if it's $20,000

Claiming races are commonplace in USA , they are not just for the mugs @ $5000 and the large stakes can have a $500,000 claiming price.

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9 minutes ago, Fred said:

The weight corresponds to the claiming price -say 50 kgs if the price is $5000 , 57 kgs if it's $20,000

Claiming races are commonplace in USA , they are not just for the mugs @ $5000 and the large stakes can have a $500,000 claiming price.

There are variations such as optional claimers where there are weight penalties based on whether you opt out of allowing the horse to be claimed or not, but I'm not aware of regular claimers where horses carry different weights and run for different claiming prices in the same race. Do you have an example?

Usually if you enter for a 10k claiming race, any licensed owner can place a claim for the horse pre-race depositing the funds. The current owner gets any stakes earned. All horses carry the same weight. The claiming owner owns the horse after the race.

If you have a horse not quite able to win in 10k company you would drop it down to 7.5k company where it may be able to win.

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1 hour ago, curious said:

There are variations such as optional claimers where there are weight penalties based on whether you opt out of allowing the horse to be claimed or not, but I'm not aware of regular claimers where horses carry different weights and run for different claiming prices in the same race. Do you have an example?

 

That is how the NZ ones were structured [from memory!]

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