Fred Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I see in the Informant M Pitman calling for claiming races -this is a good idea but the last time they were tried in N Z they failed. One of the main reasons was the greed of the promoting clubs who demanded a large cut of the action. Properly run they would create interest and participation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Fred said: I see in the Informant M Pitman calling for claiming races -this is a good idea but the last time they were tried in N Z they failed. One of the main reasons was the greed of the promoting clubs who demanded a large cut of the action. Properly run they would create interest and participation. I don't remember them in NZ Fred? How long ago? When I was Reefton Secretary 20 years ago I enquired about running them but got told they had no regulations for them and would not allow them. I think they would be a great idea - the higher your price the more weight you get and maybe a maximum price of $20k or something. would have created a bit of interest and our club would not have been looking to grab an excessive percentage of the prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshu Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Why not run them same as the pacers do in australia. 2000 to 5000 for the donkeys and 10 to 30 thousand for the better ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brown fox Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Plenty of Donkeys.I've backed most of them.? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrossCodes Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Rogerson would have plenty to go in the claiming races, have never seen him have a stable so full of slow horses in years,most of them couldn’t even compete at any great level at Gisbourne or Wairoa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbles Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, CrossCodes said: Rogerson would have plenty to go in the claiming races, have never seen him have a stable so full of slow horses in years,most of them couldn’t even compete at any great level at Gisbourne or Wairoa. A couple on Gavelhouse couldn't get the reserve of $500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Reefton said: I don't remember them in NZ Fred? How long ago? I think it would be mid eighties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Harness had.them didn't know gallops did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 Yes, gallops had them. Crazy times -they even allowed Quarter horse stallions then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Harness had.them didn't know gallops did. I cannot recall gallops having them and my memory goes back to the mid seventies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Early seventies for me...I do remember discussions as to whether they might be a good idea...but never had them as far as I am aware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Don't remember them being tried in TR either. Sounds like a vote of no confidence in the existing handicapping system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 28 minutes ago, curious said: Don't remember them being tried in TR either. Sounds like a vote of no confidence in the existing handicapping system? What hope might you have that even claimers could be handicapped suitably? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Freda said: What hope might you have that even claimers could be handicapped suitably? I reckon you would weight them by price. Adds in the factor of how low a price do you set against the weight you are prepared to carry. Makes it more interesting and God knows NZ Racing needs an injection of interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Beau Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I wonder if it is the horse that I have with Pitty, that he thinks is a possible candidate? Probably is I guess, given how it performed on Wednesday! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Tiger Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Does something mind giving me an overview of how a claiming race works ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 16 hours ago, Fred said: I think it would be mid eighties No way nod! I was only in nappies then and I don't recall it... You sure it wasn't in the 40's...when you were soiling the diapers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, Thomass said: No way nod! I was only in nappies then and I don't recall it... You sure it wasn't in the 40's...when you were soiling the diapers? A doubting Thomas If it had been the forties I would have claimed Kindergarten -I've not seen better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I'd prefer to have claimed John Henry for 25k, or maybe Seabiscuit for 2.5k. Obviously just wasn't on the ball at the time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Freda said: What hope might you have that even claimers could be handicapped suitably? No handicapping required. They run at set weights for the claiming price of the race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Ah...I see . Well then....grand idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 The weight corresponds to the claiming price -say 50 kgs if the price is $5000 , 57 kgs if it's $20,000 Claiming races are commonplace in USA , they are not just for the mugs @ $5000 and the large stakes can have a $500,000 claiming price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Certainly are 100k claimers. Don't know about 500k ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Fred said: The weight corresponds to the claiming price -say 50 kgs if the price is $5000 , 57 kgs if it's $20,000 Claiming races are commonplace in USA , they are not just for the mugs @ $5000 and the large stakes can have a $500,000 claiming price. There are variations such as optional claimers where there are weight penalties based on whether you opt out of allowing the horse to be claimed or not, but I'm not aware of regular claimers where horses carry different weights and run for different claiming prices in the same race. Do you have an example? Usually if you enter for a 10k claiming race, any licensed owner can place a claim for the horse pre-race depositing the funds. The current owner gets any stakes earned. All horses carry the same weight. The claiming owner owns the horse after the race. If you have a horse not quite able to win in 10k company you would drop it down to 7.5k company where it may be able to win. Edited March 7, 2019 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, curious said: There are variations such as optional claimers where there are weight penalties based on whether you opt out of allowing the horse to be claimed or not, but I'm not aware of regular claimers where horses carry different weights and run for different claiming prices in the same race. Do you have an example? That is how the NZ ones were structured [from memory!] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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