hunterthepunter Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 leading Hobart trainer has 40 horses racing at one meeting what effort that is in one race he has 9 of the 13 starters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harewood Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, hunterthepunter said: leading Hobart trainer has 40 horses racing at one meeting what effort that is in one race he has 9 of the 13 starters Shades of Micky Mouse at manaonetwo. Is this good or bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 11 hours ago, Harewood said: Shades of Micky Mouse at manaonetwo. Is this good or bad? The fact is that Yole may have 40 horses at the one meeting which is pretty staggering, but they are probably owned by many different owners. Michael House dominates Manawatu and the fact is that the horses are owned by many different owners, so money is shared around! The fact is that the major stake money that the AllStars plunder is a,ways going to the same owners and is not spread around, outside the AllStars stable, this is what the problem is!!!! Michael House is winning races for owners that have horses that are now battlers and are not competitive generally in the South Island 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Brodie said: The fact is that Yole may have 40 horses at the one meeting which is pretty staggering, but they are probably owned by many different owners. Michael House dominates Manawatu and the fact is that the horses are owned by many different owners, so money is shared around! The fact is that the major stake money that the AllStars plunder is a,ways going to the same owners and is not spread around, outside the AllStars stable, this is what the problem is!!!! Michael House is winning races for owners that have horses that are now battlers and are not competitive generally in the South Island Never miss a chance do we Brodie. The antennae are finely tuned to the slightest vibration regarding AS. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 even tho the guy has 40 horses racing never wins out of turn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 22 hours ago, globederby12 said: Never miss a chance do we Brodie. The antennae are finely tuned to the slightest vibration regarding AS. I am sure I miss the odd chance! Currently in Oz so I will have to keep my wits about me or I may miss a chance! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kidd Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 If comparisons are to be made it's important that it's apples that are being compared with apples. I believe a growing number of owners / trainers are seeing the futility of trying to compete with the AS machine especially in the big money 2 and 3 year old group / listed races. Even if they struck the jackpot and were lucky enough to own a wonderful young horse with the potential to be a Star, they would soon get fed up with the AS using their numerical advantage and very deep pockets to squeeze you out of the races that dreams are made of. In other words, the AS are dream killers for almost all owners who are not with them. Without those dreams, the future becomes bleak. I've crossed paths with more folk disillusioned with the game over the last three years than I did in the previous 45+ years. I don't mean this to be an anti AS message. More a pro harness racing message. To compete with the AS you need more than just a top horse. You need multiple top horses. As it stands, they can afford to sacrifice one of their own to squeeze you out. It will be one of their other stablemates that will benefit from your horse burning out way before it's time. Every which way you look at it the AS have it covered. We came back from Australia to watch Glide Time win the Welcome Stakes for Royce in 1977. Back then you didn't need to be hooked up with one stable to win races like the Welcome Stakes and Sapling Stakes etc. Now those races are already signed and sealed months before those events even come around in fact, it will be a surprise if the AS don't trifecta those races. Great for the AS and their owners but more disillusionment for other owners watching this absolute dominance season after season. The likes of Ben Yole and Micheal House etc are a different ball game altogether so it's pointless to even compare. They are keeping their owners in the game with regular small pay days but that's not what dreams are made of. Cream v crumbs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Joe Kidd said: If comparisons are to be made it's important that it's apples that are being compared with apples. I believe a growing number of owners / trainers are seeing the futility of trying to compete with the AS machine especially in the big money 2 and 3 year old group / listed races. Even if they struck the jackpot and were lucky enough to own a wonderful young horse with the potential to be a Star, they would soon get fed up with the AS using their numerical advantage and very deep pockets to squeeze you out of the races that dreams are made of. In other words, the AS are dream killers for almost all owners who are not with them. Without those dreams, the future becomes bleak. I've crossed paths with more folk disillusioned with the game over the last three years than I did in the previous 45+ years. I don't mean this to be an anti AS message. More a pro harness racing message. To compete with the AS you need more than just a top horse. You need multiple top horses. As it stands, they can afford to sacrifice one of their own to squeeze you out. It will be one of their other stablemates that will benefit from your horse burning out way before it's time. Every which way you look at it the AS have it covered. We came back from Australia to watch Glide Time win the Welcome Stakes for Royce in 1977. Back then you didn't need to be hooked up with one stable to win races like the Welcome Stakes and Sapling Stakes etc. Now those races are already signed and sealed months before those events even come around in fact, it will be a surprise if the AS don't trifecta those races. Great for the AS and their owners but more disillusionment for other owners watching this absolute dominance season after season. The likes of Ben Yole and Micheal House etc are a different ball game altogether so it's pointless to even compare. They are keeping their owners in the game with regular small pay days but that's not what dreams are made of. Cream v crumbs. It's who's got the most money to pay for a well bred horse now, the dream of getting a cheap horse and turning it into a superstar are gone, welcome stakes is just a rich owner benifit now, a.s can even just put Tim Williams on the latest edition and still win! Interestingly, the last horse in the 1977 welcome stakes kabase became a fair trotter. Edited March 30, 2019 by Flagship uberalles 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kidd Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1977 was a year out of the top drawer Flag. Grey Way's best ever win in the Easter Handicap beating a field full of stars. Ascona winning the Great Northern Steeplechase for Kenny Browne. Royal Cadenza won the Auckland Cup. Sole Command won the NZ Cup. For me it was all about two horses that we knew all about before they ever stepped foot on the track. Glide Time for Royce Belcher and Lord Module and Ces Devine. The later has always been my favourite horse and always will be. I can still recall the 77 Welcome Stakes as if it was yesterday. Motu Prince was a concern as was the Kerslake runner Main Star. We lived a stone throw from the Hills who had Single Lord and knew he was extra good. In the end we had nothing to be concerned about. The only real surprise was the price GT paid. Going through the field and that race day brings back so many memories. Even Kabase as you mention went on to win a handful of races as a trotter. In her last few races she was up against horses like Jenner, Sir Castleton, Scotch Tar and Thriller Dee. First race on Welcome Stakes / Easter Cup day was the 2 year old non tote trot won by About Now. The Easter Cup was won by Balgove for Bob Cameron beating Inter Dominion Final winner Stanley Rio. The Trotting Stakes was won by the magnificent Nigel Craig. Both fields had runners that will bring back memories for some so I've posted those as well. (30/03/2019@19:07) NZ Metropolitan Trotting Club Inc Saturday 9th April 1977 Results Enquiry Race 7 Easter Cup, $15,000, OC HANDICAP PACE, 3200m Weather: Fine Track: Fast Race History Plc Bk Horse Barrier Hcap Stakes Fav Time Margin Driver Trainer 1 1 Balgove fr 9,750.00 3/3 4-11.7 R M Cameron W H Roberts 2 13 Stanley Rio 15m 3,000.00 1/1 J B Noble 3 2 Helen Of Tara fr 1,500.00 6/6 D R Mangos 4 3 Classic Move fr 750.00 12/12 J A Carmichael 5 4 Young Tennessee fr 0.00 9/11 6 11 Palestine 10m 0.00 10/9 7 5 Nimble Yankee fr 0.00 7/8 8 6 Trusty Scot fr 0.00 5/5 9 14 Sole Command 15m 0.00 11/10 10 7 Winning Smoke fr 0.00 13/13 11 8 Cyclone Lad(1971) fr 0.00 8/7 12 9 Direct Magic fr 0.00 14/14 13 10 Commissioner fr 0.00 4/4 14 12 Bolton Byrd 10m 0.00 2/2 $15,000.00 Divs: $5.35. $1.85. $1.50. $5.10. Quinella $11.80. Margins: 1/2 length, head, 1 1/4 lengths Times: Mile Rate: 2-06.5 Placed Horses: Balgove 1971 5 B g Out To Win - Petite Dell (by Garrison Hanover) Trainer: W H Roberts, Lawrence Owner: J P & W H Roberts Breeder: Est P P Roberts Stanley Rio 1972 B h Nevele Golfer - Rio Fleur (by Chamfer) Owner: W J Francis & G B & J B Noble Helen Of Tara 1971 5 B m Garrison Hanover - Queensway (by Johnny Globe) Owner: D P Callahan Breeder: Tara Lodge Ltd Prev NT Race 2 Race 3 Race 4 Race 5 Race 6 Race 7 Race 8 Race 9 Race 10 Next Home> Infohorse >Race Result (30/03/2019@19:04) NZ Metropolitan Trotting Club Inc Saturday 9th April 1977 Results Enquiry Race 8 N Z Trotting Championship, $5000, C0 MOBILE, 2600m Weather: Fine Track: Fast Race History Plc Bk Horse Barrier Hcap Stakes Fav Time Margin Driver Trainer 1 1 Nigel Craig fr 3,250.00 1/1 3-26.2 B L Heron W L Heron 2 2 Armbro Lady fr 1,000.00 6/6 K D Townley 3 3 Mighty Lee fr 500.00 4/3 M R DeFilippi 4 4 Artful Lad fr 250.00 9/9 G Holmes 5 5 Rodney Dale fr 0.00 7/7 6 6 Van Lorne fr 0.00 8/8 7 7 Waipounamu fr 0.00 2/2 8 8 Dupreez fr 0.00 5/5 9 9 Best Bet fr 0.00 3/4 $5,000.00 Scratchings SCR 10 Airdrie Divs: $1.45. $1.00. $3.45. $1.75. Quinella $12.50. Margins: 5 lengths, 1/2 length, 1 1/2 lengths Times: Mile Rate: 2-07.6 Placed Horses: Nigel Craig 1969 7 B g Protector - Pipetre (by Highland Kilt) Trainer: W L Heron, Rangiora Owner: B L & W L Heron Breeder: D A Oxnam Armbro Lady 1970 6 B m Armbro Del - Val's Girl (by Battleground) Owner: R E & S T Webster Breeder: S T Webster Mighty Lee 1970 6 B g Tuft - Annabelle Lee (by Goodland) Owner: J P & Mrs E M Cutler Breeder: J R Gillett Prev NT Race 2 Race 3 Race 4 Race 5 Race 6 Race 7 Race 8 Race 9 Race 10 Next 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Great fields with plenty of chances, and no stable domination! Ahh the good days of Harness Racing, when crowds flocked to Addington to watch the racing! Stakes were good compared to what the money could buy back then! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 You go through the old fields of open class races and they were stacked with talent, plus the great horses had to come off big handicaps in cup races none of this starting off the front line in the NZ cup if you had already won one or two NZ cups! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Would’ve been a helluva lot more sires being bred from as well! Doubt there was the domination as well by one or two sides tht we have nowadays! Bettors Delight and to a lesser degree Art Major have been dominating for too long! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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