Goldstar Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 "For greyhounds from a service performed by a NZ based stud dog" All About Space, sire Above All, had 2 starts in Nz before owners sent to Australia,( good move) The dog raced there the rest of his illustrious career. Seman was sent back to NZ. Does this make him a NZ based sire. Not in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mischief managed Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) It wasnt allowed last year when I had an above all to race in it Edited June 19, 2019 by Mischief managed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing/80696813/once-in-a-lifetime-greyhound-above-all-dies-of-suspected-blood-clot Above All has died of a suspected blood clot in Melbourne. The sire was located in Australia, So is Not eligible for this race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 9 hours ago, Goldstar said: "For greyhounds from a service performed by a NZ based stud dog" All About Space, sire Above All, had 2 starts in Nz before owners sent to Australia,( good move) The dog raced there the rest of his illustrious career. Seman was sent back to NZ. Does this make him a NZ based sire. Not in my opinion Spot on Goldstar. "For greyhounds from a service performed by a NZ based stud dog" The conditions do not say something such as... "For greyhounds from a service performed by a NZ reared stud dog" "For greyhounds from a service performed by a NZ owned stud dog" So unfortunately, due to the conditions, Above All should be out but the Fast Archers or Dream Collectors (etc, etc) should be included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitofaLegend Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 13 hours ago, Goldstar said: "For greyhounds from a service performed by a NZ based stud dog" All About Space, sire Above All, had 2 starts in Nz before owners sent to Australia,( good move) The dog raced there the rest of his illustrious career. Seman was sent back to NZ. Does this make him a NZ based sire. Not in my opinion Have you made a complaint to the club? Surely the field needs to be redrawn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mischief managed Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Complaints have been made. Dog is allowed to start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitofaLegend Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Surely this has to be challenged, it goes against the rules of the race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Seems Above All was exported to Australia sometime before 07/09/2014 as that is the date of his first start overseas. His final recorded race was on 16/04/2016, still in Australia. 02/06/2016 (6 weeks after his final start), according to James Bond's supplied link is the day it was reported in NZ that he had passed-away. So unless Above All had been transferred back to NZ, straws drawn here, then transferred back to Australia for his operation, then his offspring should not be allowed to contest in the sires produce race, as per the race conditions. Does Above All's offspring deserve the chance? Well I believe there couldn't be a bigger YES, but the conditions would need to be changed prior to nominations being opened. Another instance of short-sightedness by GRNZ. Fast Archer, Dream Collector, American Warrior, tick. Above All, unfortunately no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Further to this, Lisa Cole as the trainer should be charged by the RIU under rule 19.7. 19.7 If a Greyhound is Nominated for or races in a Race for which such Greyhound is not eligible, the Nominator of such Greyhound shall be liable to a fine of up to $100 for each Offence and such Greyhound shall be Disqualified from its original placing and all Prize Money earned and any Nomination fees paid shall be forfeited. Where such Greyhound is Disqualified, the Club shall make the appropriate placings of the other Greyhounds affected accordingly. 87.7 The Trainer shall have the sole power of Nomination, entry or withdrawal of a Greyhound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 So how do we stop this rort? Rorts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 I believe the Board will be deciding which way it goes tonight. To those that can read, the rightful decision is obvious. However, the Cole kennel has proven to be a very protected species, so it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the Board decides it can't read either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/based Edited June 20, 2019 by Yankiwi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlid Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 38 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: I believe the Board will be deciding which way it goes tonight. To those that can read, the rightful decision is obvious. However, the Cole kennel has proven to be a very protected species, so it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the Board decides it can't read either. The Board (Sean Hannan) and his Craig Rendle Influenced Board of Corruption," Now" have a chance to come clean ????? They have No other options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crosscoded Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 It is clear the dog has never been a NZ based sire, unless semen was drawn before it left NZ. Therefore its inclusion in the field is a breach of NZGRA Rules. Typically a breach is handled by the RIU/JCA not the GRNZ board. The GRNZ board would have members with conflicts of interest in regard to the decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 6 hours ago, crosscoded said: It is clear the dog has never been a NZ based sire, unless semen was drawn before it left NZ. Surely he wasn't a registered stud dog prior to heading overseas. Any semen drawn prior to being registered obviously couldn't be recognised.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Justice has prevailed. https://www.tab.co.nz/racing/meeting/13175/race/137422/new-zealand-sires-produce-stakes Not often I say this, but well done to whoever (headquarters, Board, RIU) has made the obviously correct decision. Now as for the fine... I'll be looking for it Sunday night in the Stewards report. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehe Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 I have been told mr cole got a pay out for this race seen the dog that was scr because it was nominated incorrectly I dont know if it is true or not but someone must know if this is true and correct If he did get a pay out did the owner of the stud dog get a pay out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 On 20/06/2019 at 4:47 PM, Yankiwi said: Further to this, Lisa Cole as the trainer should be charged by the RIU under rule 19.7. 19.7 If a Greyhound is Nominated for or races in a Race for which such Greyhound is not eligible, the Nominator of such Greyhound shall be liable to a fine of up to $100 for each Offence and such Greyhound shall be Disqualified from its original placing and all Prize Money earned and any Nomination fees paid shall be forfeited. Where such Greyhound is Disqualified, the Club shall make the appropriate placings of the other Greyhounds affected accordingly. 87.7 The Trainer shall have the sole power of Nomination, entry or withdrawal of a Greyhound They shouldn't have got a pay-out. They should have got a $100 fine for nominating an ineligible dog. The conditions were clearly written & the Cole kennel didn't follow them. Case closed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 What I find amusing is that his 2 others runners were also scratched with very short stand downs. Race 10 Pump & Engineering Services Ltd Stakes - C2 - 527 Zipping Cobra Rule 40.13 from 22 Jun 2019 to 28 Jun 2019 Race 13 Jack's Wholesale Meats Sprint - C1 - 318 Bigtime Cutie Rule 40.13 from 22 Jun 2019 to 01 Jul 2019 The question has to be asked that were these 2 injuried or not. Seems kind of weird that they were both incapable of competing on the day and only getting 6 and 9 day stand downs. You have to wonder if they would have they been scratched if All About Spice was not scratched !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitofaLegend Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 11 hours ago, James Bond said: What I find amusing is that his 2 others runners were also scratched with very short stand downs. Race 10 Pump & Engineering Services Ltd Stakes - C2 - 527 Zipping Cobra Rule 40.13 from 22 Jun 2019 to 28 Jun 2019 Race 13 Jack's Wholesale Meats Sprint - C1 - 318 Bigtime Cutie Rule 40.13 from 22 Jun 2019 to 01 Jul 2019 The question has to be asked that were these 2 injuried or not. Seems kind of weird that they were both incapable of competing on the day and only getting 6 and 9 day stand downs. You have to wonder if they would have they been scratched if All About Spice was not scratched !! Probably scratched on the 100km rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mischief managed Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, BitofaLegend said: Probably scratched on the 100km rule Rule only applys for reserves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehe Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Mr cole got a pay out of 8k for this race when he should have been fined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitofaLegend Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 6 hours ago, Mehe said: Mr cole got a pay out of 8k for this race when he should have been fined Sounds like BS to me mate. Who paid him out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty5 Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 9 hours ago, Mehe said: Mr cole got a pay out of 8k for this race when he should have been fined That’s the same as what the winner got??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockyaleg Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Who ever accepted the nomination should have been fined. Listening to Rosso and McCook on the radio, all are agreed the dog was not eligible. An Above All nomination had previously been denied, precedent existed. There should be no payout, the rules are clear. An inquiry should be opened into the no show of Cole at that meeting. When were the additional two runners scratched? Your industry is shambolic! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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