Thomass Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Shocking case this of more ignorance and arrogance from the RIU... ..handling, what should have been a clear cut welfare issue.... Vile takes his team of 3 along to Whanganui...clearly on the website it states..."Weather: Overcast H11 Maybe he's got the heads up from the Trackman that it's only just into the 11...but that's beside the point... The point here is Trainers can scratch if there's been a downgrade of the Track through a race meeting...no probs Here, not only was the Weather not updated by the amateurs at the RIU to now "Raining"....when Gazza got to the course he discovered there had been rain and 6 MLS!!! On any course in the country that's a downgrade of between 1/2 Rating points...6 to 7/8...8 to 9/10...it's an historical fact Because the RIU /NZTR ignorant suits refuse to have anything greater than an H 11 rating... Vile couldn't scratch his horses...upon finding the previous 11 was now a total bog... RIU " the track has not been materially affected" "Fine 3 Hundy for scratching without permission" What a crock of b/s... Vile saved his owners and Punters a trip on a bog track with no chance...and gets fined for looking after the Welfare of his horses... What a joke...but that's the RIU for you...rubber stamped by the highly expensive JCA SHAME ON THEM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Geez you write some crap. Given the weather forecast and supposedly past experience of Wanganui PLUS a H11 Vile should have expected what he got! He hardly could have expected the track to improve! Next you will be spouting on about Coppins theory of heavy "holding" or "loose." If you are going to post at least post something sensible. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Geez you write some crap. Given the weather forecast and supposedly past experience of Wanganui PLUS a H11 Vile should have expected what he got! He hardly could have expected the track to improve! Next you will be spouting on about Coppins theory of heavy "holding" or "loose." If you are going to post at least post something sensible. Actually you cant read.... If any Trainer goes to the races believing a 'forecast' you'd have mass Morning scratchings.... its very common for Trainers to take a track on as stated...then scratch if they think the change is going to totally flatten an unfit fresh horse for example ...6mls is very significant and a H 11 to a H 13 is at least 6L difference Besides...it's their right to scratch if there's a CHANGE OF RATING...and as stated 6Mls extra is most definitely a change of condition Wake. Up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 FFS Vile could have scratched early in the morning without incurring a fine. The 6mls plus of rain occurred BEFORE 6am. It was closer to 10mls. Geez the float wouldn't have even left by then! Wake up Thomaas - Vile made an error. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 26 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: FFS Vile could have scratched early in the morning without incurring a fine. The 6mls plus of rain occurred BEFORE 6am. It was closer to 10mls. Geez the float wouldn't have even left by then! Wake up Thomaas - Vile made an error. Look, I realise you want to get a 'hate Thomass' narrative going... But you should have realised by now IM NEVER WRONG..ok?? 6Mls fell after 7.30 until race time...FACT A change in track from 10/11 connections can scratch..FACT 11/12 they can't....FACT 6Mls =1/2 Rating points...FACT Vile should have been able to scratch his horses....FACT Mr Balcombe said that after the Committee’s earlier ruling that Mr Vile was not authorised to scratch his horses Mr Vile said he had sent his horses back to his training establishment in Palmerston North. Mr Balcombe said he had no option but to advise the TAB the horses had been late scratched after which Mr Vile was told he was being charged with scratching the horses without the approval of the Stewards. Mr Balcombe said whilst there had been 6mls of rain since 7.30am, jockeys spoken to after Race 1 had not expressed any safety concerns for themselves or their horses. It was for these reasons the Stewards had opposed the late scratching of the 3 horses. To a question from Mr Vile Mr Balcombe said the Stewards did not believe the rain that had fallen since 7.30am had had a material effect on the track. Mr Vile also asked Mr Balcombe if he thought a time of 1.53 for a 1600m race was “bad” and Mr Balcombe said he could not comment on that because each track’s surface was different. Mr Vile reiterated what he had said when the Request for Ruling hearing was held. He said after the running of Race 1 he had asked the Stewards for permission to scratch his runner in Race 3 and his 2 runners in Race 7 because of the very heavy nature of the track. He said in the interests and welfare of his horses and their riders he wanted to scratch. He said he was aware the track was rated as a Heavy 11 earlier this morning but since 7.30am there was more rain and the NZTR website had not been updated from 7.30am when it was showing the weather as “Overcast”. He said had he known after 7.30am that it was raining he would have sought permission from the Stewards to scratch all his horses from the meeting before leaving Palmerston North for Wanganui. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 No "hate" narrative Thomaas - don't take it personally but you are writing crap! The track was rated a Heavy 11 at 6:20 am this morning. FACT. 21mls of rain (nearly an inch in imperial terms) fell overnight. FACT. For a track where the soil was already at field capacity 6mls makes no difference! FACT. The forecast was for more heavy rain falls during the day. FACT. Vile made an error. He may get a refund though if the forecast rain eventuates as the meeting may be abandoned probably due to vision issues and/or surface water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 Oh FFS...this case was the LAST meeting...you can't have a case heard and published by the JCA BEFORE the meetings even over Wake. Up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 As you were however you didn't state the date in your post. The same principles apply though. 12mls fell overnight on a track that would have already been at field capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Like his friend Winston he lives in fairyland 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshu Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 A total fw and so is silly Winston. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 OK OK guys I got it wrong - at least I admitted it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: As you were however you didn't state the date in your post. The same principles apply though. 12mls fell overnight on a track that would have already been at field capacity. No they don't...12 mls OVERNIGHT is totALLY irrelevant! It's what falls AFTER Scratching time obviously... Again for slowbies like Reefer and shrew... 6Mls falls AFTER 7.30...goes from H10 to 11...ok to scratch...no questions asked Ditto H 11 to H 12...this time FINED ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE...but the RIU...rubber stamped by the equally IGNORANT JCA...thinks there is Vile got SCREWED BIG TIME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 You not the RIU are ignorant in this case. There is NO Heavy 12! 6mls on a H11 would make stuff all difference. So increase the rating to 12 what happens when there is 6mls on it? Bring in a H13? Now the only argument Vile might have had was it was a H10 not a H11 BEFORE 6mls. He would have been well and truly stuffed in OZ as they stop at H10! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted July 8, 2019 Author Share Posted July 8, 2019 It's actually WORSE....6mls on an H 11 is 6L difference... Thats MATERIALLY AFFECTED even in a MORON's head... The RIU were trying to Heavy Vile with more of their nonsense... ..like fining Jockeys for fisting the finish.... ...OUT OF CONTROL.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 I'm all for horse welfare and fairness to punters....but, ffs, the effing track was heavy, end of story. Local knowledge should have told Vile pretty much how the conditions would be . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted July 8, 2019 Author Share Posted July 8, 2019 Thanks Freda... ..if you can just confirm... Its effing H 10 Heavy....and goes to H11...Are you entitled to scratch without penalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 18 minutes ago, Thomass said: Thanks Freda... ..if you can just confirm... Its effing H 10 Heavy....and goes to H11...Are you entitled to scratch without penalty? FFS everyone knows that a downgrade in track during the course of a meeting allows trainers to scratch just as any intelligent person knows there is NO Heavy 12! Your 6mls of rain equals 0.5 lengths is the most ludicrous thing I've heard and from you that is saying something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted July 8, 2019 Author Share Posted July 8, 2019 Now you're being deliberately ignorant... The difference between 10/11 and 11/12 is still @6L after 6mls...not 0.5L you imbecile... Just as a background...we used to have unlimited Heavy when the pen readings were divulged... Punters should be able to observe at a glance a H Trentham 16 ...to a close to 10 at H11 for example ones bottomless..the other not...yet were not allowed to be told... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, Thomass said: Now you're being deliberately ignorant... The difference between 10/11 and 11/12 is still @6L after 6mls...not 0.5L you imbecile... Just as a background...we used to have unlimited Heavy when the pen readings were divulged... Punters should be able to observe at a glance a H Trentham 16 ...to a close to 10 at H11 for example ones bottomless..the other not...yet were not allowed to be told... Last warning Thomaas if you keep insulting me then you are on a holiday. I suggest you tone it down. Remember you have NOWHERE else to go! What a load of bollocks - 6mls equals 6 lengths. There is no way you can you can use that metric which is spurious to say the least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 Then why did you change the metric to 0.5L after I told you the CORRECT one..which has nothing to do with opinion? Each Rating point once into Heavy is equivalent to one second...FACT Id stop posting if I was you...if you keep misreading actual facts like the two Apprentice allowances being wrong? All you needed to say was "as you were" like the previous time you were wrong...instead of defending misreading the results Just let it go and move on is my advice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 You said 6mls was 0.5 rating points which now equals 6 lengths. It's utter garbage and not fact! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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