Dark Beau Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 6 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: No one "rode roughshod" over anyone. Did you stop to think why Cambridge Stud didn't sponsor the race this year? From all accounts they chose not to. Given the rough year they have had I wouldn't be surprised that they are rethinking their whole marketing plan. It seems the Ellis's stepped up to the party and offered to sponsor the race and from what I've been told there was no "quid pro quo." With regard to the name change there are many examples where this has happened. Indeed the race in question had undergone name changes over the years. Can you remember what it was called before it was the Sir Tristram Fillies Classic? I know it then became the Cambridge Stud Sir Tristram Fillies Classic presumably because from a marketing perspective the addition of Cambridge Stud to the title had more relevance than just Sir Tristram. As for other examples the Bonecrusher Stakes was originally the Air New Zealand Stakes before becoming the New Zealand Stakes then the Mitchell's sponsorship kicked in. In Australia - the H.E. Tancred Stakes first run in 1963 became the BMW International Stakes, then The BMW Stakes, then the Mercedes then back to just the plain The BMW and now the Kia Tancred. The Hotham Stakes - 1869–1978 - Hotham Handicap 1979–1993 - The Dalgety 1994–1995 - Crown Quality 1996 - Ten News Stakes 1997 - Lean Cuisine Quality 1998–2008 - Saab Quality 2009–2018 - Lexus Stakes 2019 - Lexus Hotham Stakes The George Adams 1881–1918 - Coburg Stakes 1919–1961 - Cantala Stakes 1962–1984 - George Adams Handicap 1985–1988 - Ampol Stakes 1989–1992 - Honda Stakes 1993–1995 - Nissan Stakes 1996–1997 - Chrysler Stakes 1998–2015 - Emirates Stakes 2016 - Cantala Stakes 2017–2018 - Kennedy Mile 2019 - Kennedy Cantala The Mackinnon - 1869–1936 - Melbourne Stakes In 1937 the VRC moved the Melbourne Stakes to earlier in the spring, running it in September, over a shorter distance of 1 mile (1.6 km). The race was the predecessor to the Turnbull Stakes. 1937–2015 - LKS Mackinnon Stakes 2016–2017 - Emirates Stakes 2018 - Seppelt Mackinnon Stakes The Warwick Stakes became the Winx Stakes. So on and so on. The registered name won't change but good luck to those who cough up the dosh for sponsorship. They deserve a pat on the back not angst and unfounded aspersions. You are right but it's wrong. Next it will be the Te Akau Cup in March aka the Auckland Cup. I say bring it on and we will see how alone you are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, Dark Beau said: You are right but it's wrong. Next it will be the Te Akau Cup in March aka the Auckland Cup. I say bring it on and we will see how alone you are! No it will probably be the Te Akau Auckland Cup. Get over yourself. Did you know for example that the registered name of the Herbie Dyke is not the Herbie Dyke Stakes? Times change. Arguably the Herbie Dyke Stakes today as a Grp 1 doesn't compare in quality to the majority of the past runnings of the race. As for being "alone" the only people who will care are those like yourself that wallow in the bygone days of nostalgia e.g. you and Berrifruit. Berri thinks it will impact stud books and sales catalogues! Get real! The biggest threat is the downgrading of our Grp racing not their names! Geez we now have the New Zealand Campus of Innovation and Sport Wellington Cup! What a mouthful that is! Hasn't stopped the race from being downgraded from Grp 1 to Grp 2 in 2009, Grp 2 to Grp 3 in 2017. It will be lucky to be a Listed race in 4 years! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: No it will probably be the Te Akau Auckland Cup. Get over yourself. Did you know for example that the registered name of the Herbie Dyke is not the Herbie Dyke Stakes? Times change. Arguably the Herbie Dyke Stakes today as a Grp 1 doesn't compare in quality to the majority of the past runnings of the race. As for being "alone" the only people who will care are those like yourself that wallow in the bygone days of nostalgia e.g. you and Berrifruit. Berri thinks it will impact stud books and sales catalogues! Get real! The biggest threat is the downgrading of our Grp racing not their names! Geez we now have the New Zealand Campus of Innovation and Sport Wellington Cup! What a mouthful that is! Hasn't stopped the race from being downgraded from Grp 1 to Grp 2 in 2009, Grp 2 to Grp 3 in 2017. It will be lucky to be a Listed race in 4 years! At the end of the day, if someone wants to sponsor a race and put up the cash, good on them, that's their call. For the bulk of Jill and Joe Public, I bet they don't really care. There are more important issues....like why did I forget to buy the cream? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 I give up...why did you forget to buy the cream?...were you into..pie? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Beau Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: I give up...why did you forget to buy the cream?...were you into..pie? He’s dottery. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: I give up...why did you forget to buy the cream?...were you into..pie? Forgetting to buy the cream when she who must be cherished has repeatedly asked you to remember....not a good idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Dark Beau said: He’s dottery. So she keeps telling me!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 On 8/02/2020 at 6:41 PM, Chief Stipe said: No it will probably be the Te Akau Auckland Cup. Get over yourself. Did you know for example that the registered name of the Herbie Dyke is not the Herbie Dyke Stakes? Times change. Arguably the Herbie Dyke Stakes today as a Grp 1 doesn't compare in quality to the majority of the past runnings of the race. As for being "alone" the only people who will care are those like yourself that wallow in the bygone days of nostalgia e.g. you and Berrifruit. Berri thinks it will impact stud books and sales catalogues! Get real! The biggest threat is the downgrading of our Grp racing not their names! Geez we now have the New Zealand Campus of Innovation and Sport Wellington Cup! What a mouthful that is! Hasn't stopped the race from being downgraded from Grp 1 to Grp 2 in 2009, Grp 2 to Grp 3 in 2017. It will be lucky to be a Listed race in 4 years! Who is gonna care about or know who this guy Dyke is in 50 years? But I can guarantee that Sir Tristram will still resonate. His name will appear in pedigrees for a very long time, accentuated by stallions like Zabeel, Savabeel, any sons of Savabeel who make it as stallions etc etc...thats assuming the pansies currently in govt don't get their way and ban breeding and racing before hand... I just think it would have been appropriate for Ellis to have continued to venerate Sir Tristrams name. The only reason not to would have been at the behest of Sir Patrick or his family and I can't see that being the case. The Ellis's clearly see themselves as bigger than a very large factor in NZ's racing and breeding history...guess who will get forgotten first ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, Kopia said: guess who will get forgotten first ? Kopia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 12 hours ago, Kopia said: Who is gonna care about or know who this guy Dyke is in 50 years? But I can guarantee that Sir Tristram will still resonate. His name will appear in pedigrees for a very long time, accentuated by stallions like Zabeel, Savabeel, any sons of Savabeel who make it as stallions etc etc...thats assuming the pansies currently in govt don't get their way and ban breeding and racing before hand... I just think it would have been appropriate for Ellis to have continued to venerate Sir Tristrams name. The only reason not to would have been at the behest of Sir Patrick or his family and I can't see that being the case. The Ellis's clearly see themselves as bigger than a very large factor in NZ's racing and breeding history...guess who will get forgotten first ? Where do you get this stuff from koppa? Winn and the Gummint want the Racing Industry to thrive... Winn went to Eire...got whiskied up...told some yarns...then arksed htf did their Thoroughbred Industry become soooo legendary.... ...and now he's got the answers.. Just relax and ENJOY the days ahead koppa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share Posted February 10, 2020 7 hours ago, Thomass said: Where do you get this stuff from koppa? Winn and the Gummint want the Racing Industry to thrive... Winn went to Eire...got whiskied up...told some yarns...then arksed htf did their Thoroughbred Industry become soooo legendary.... ...and now he's got the answers.. Just relax and ENJOY the days ahead koppa Oh don't worry Tommaas I am going to enjoy watching Peters squirm now NZ First is being investigated by the Serious Fraud Office....and also now that Simon Bridges ( whose star is definitely in the ascendency) has cast NZ First adrift into no mans land.. And anyway, who's counting...coming up 3 years that Peters has been racing minister and apart from a whole lotta jobs for the boys, nothing at all of any value to owners/trainers has occurred! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Kopia said: Oh don't worry Tommaas I am going to enjoy watching Peters squirm now NZ First is being investigated by the Serious Fraud Office....and also now that Simon Bridges ( whose star is definitely in the ascendency) has cast NZ First adrift into no mans land.. And anyway, who's counting...coming up 3 years that Peters has been racing minister and apart from a whole lotta jobs for the boys, nothing at all of any value to owners/trainers has occurred! Can't wait to get that Slippery Slimon talk about "Choyna" in the debate with Cindy... The stark contrast of choyces will be ....STARK... And Winn ALWAYS raises to the Top cream when needed... Ya MAD if ya take any notice of polls...mad I say Edited February 10, 2020 by Thomass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 33 minutes ago, Kopia said: Oh don't worry Tommaas I am going to enjoy watching Peters squirm now NZ First is being investigated by the Serious Fraud Office....and also now that Simon Bridges ( whose star is definitely in the ascendency) has cast NZ First adrift into no mans land.. And anyway, who's counting...coming up 3 years that Peters has been racing minister and apart from a whole lotta jobs for the boys, nothing at all of any value to owners/trainers has occurred! Kopia, KFE stood for Parliament for your lot. She stood little chance getting the boguns of Upper Hutt to vote for her though. So when you slag off KFE you are slagging off one of your own. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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