holy ravioli Posted May 12, 2020 Author Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) doubt whether that data will be regarded as 'good' by the Chief! If the horses I back could run as fast as the Chief,I could have retired years..ago. Edited May 12, 2020 by holy ravioli spelling 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Depends on what narrative you trying to support. Has Sweden had a more deaths per head of population than New Zealand? Is it because they didn't Lockdown or due to other factors? Was New Zealand's lower number of deaths due to Lockdown or its ability to test, identify, track, trace and quarantine Covid-19 cases? Why the significant difference between NZ and Australia? Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Did you know that the population density of Stockholm is 4 times that of Auckland? Quote
curious Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Depends on what narrative you trying to support. Has Sweden had a more deaths per head of population than New Zealand? Check the graph I posted above. The answer is yes. About 40-50 times more per capita. Quote
curious Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Why the significant difference between NZ and Australia? What? There is no significant difference in COVID deaths per capita between NZ and Oz. Quote
curious Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 To be more exact if we had the same rates per capita as Sweden we would have had 13,000 cases and 1600 deaths. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 45 minutes ago, curious said: To be more exact if we had the same rates per capita as Sweden we would have had 13,000 cases and 1600 deaths. But if you factor in the other variables we wouldn't have had the same number of cases or deaths. Let alone the 80,000 deaths that our PM touted. Of those 1,600 deaths how many would be like the 21 that did die? That is gone past the departure lounge and boarding the plane? Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 LOL what a crack up! Comrade Adern has just announced that you can have 50 people at a tangi as opposed to 10 which was the original rule. Is that decision based on science, ideology or politics? 1 Quote
holy ravioli Posted May 13, 2020 Author Posted May 13, 2020 47 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: But if you factor in the other variables we wouldn't have had the same number of cases or deaths. Let alone the 80,000 deaths that our PM touted. Of those 1,600 deaths how many would be like the 21 that did die? That is gone past the departure lounge and boarding the plane? 'Let alone the 80,000 deaths that our PM touted.'...making shit up Chief-citation needed. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120604818/new-model-shows-coronavirus-could-kill-80000-kiwis-without-lockdown 1 Quote
curious Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120604818/new-model-shows-coronavirus-could-kill-80000-kiwis-without-lockdown Don't see the PM or government cited in that article? 1 Quote
holy ravioli Posted May 13, 2020 Author Posted May 13, 2020 45 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120604818/new-model-shows-coronavirus-could-kill-80000-kiwis-without-lockdown like I said...making shit up=confirmed.? Quote
curious Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Bloke said: The Covid 19 deaths in Sweden now almost 3,500. Yes. On a per capita basis, equivalent to 300 new cases and 70 deaths in NZ in the last 24 hours. 1 Quote
holy ravioli Posted May 14, 2020 Author Posted May 14, 2020 1 hour ago, curious said: Yes. On a per capita basis, equivalent to 300 new cases and 70 deaths in NZ in the last 24 hours. Chief Running Bare....has now morphed into a magician....and...vanished!? 2 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 22 hours ago, holy ravioli said: Chief Running Bare....has now morphed into a magician....and...vanished!? Note at all. To enable your freedom of speech (free I might add) someone like myself needs to do work behind the scenes. So unlike yourself, obviously, I had to make a decision between rebutting your crap or greasing and oiling the cogs of BOAY. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 On 13/05/2020 at 5:16 PM, holy ravioli said: 'Let alone the 80,000 deaths that our PM touted.'...making shit up Chief-citation needed. She did say that. I'm not going to connect the dots for you as you are obviously lazy and selective but do some deep research on these three organisations - Te Punaha Matatini, Motu.nz and Wigram Capital Investments. Arden definitely referred to 80,000 in one of her party political broadcasts at 1pm early on in this debacle. What's more, regardless of what model she did use, the fact is she ignored the Ministry of Health's advice which was we didn't need to go to Level-4. Further - no one in NZ has died from Covid-19 and no lives were saved because of Lockdown. However we are borrowing the largest amount of money this country has ever borrowed - over $100 billion. That's about 30 x what the USA has invested in research for a Covid-19 vaccine. Go figure! Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 On 14/05/2020 at 9:07 AM, Bloke said: The Covid 19 deaths in Sweden now almost 3,500. What is your point? What is the percentage of those deaths that are excess mortality? That is how many died over and above what the normal level of deaths would have been? Quote
Bloke Posted May 15, 2020 Posted May 15, 2020 59 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: What is your point? What is the percentage of those deaths that are excess mortality? That is how many died over and above what the normal level of deaths would have been? My point is that 3500 covid 19 related deaths have happened in Sweden. Those are the official stats not some other method that you are trying to dream up. Quote
Bloke Posted May 15, 2020 Posted May 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: She did say that. I'm not going to connect the dots for you as you are obviously lazy and selective but do some deep research on these three organisations - Te Punaha Matatini, Motu.nz and Wigram Capital Investments. Arden definitely referred to 80,000 in one of her party political broadcasts at 1pm early on in this debacle. What's more, regardless of what model she did use, the fact is she ignored the Ministry of Health's advice which was we didn't need to go to Level-4. Further - no one in NZ has died from Covid-19 and no lives were saved because of Lockdown. However we are borrowing the largest amount of money this country has ever borrowed - over $100 billion. That's about 30 x what the USA has invested in research for a Covid-19 vaccine. Go figure! Well Simple Simon said at the announcement of Level 4 that he supported the Government's move 100%. So the same would have happened if he, Benefit, Crusher and Co were in Government. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 15, 2020 Posted May 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, Bloke said: Well Simple Simon said at the announcement of Level 4 that he supported the Government's move 100%. So the same would have happened if he, Benefit, Crusher and Co were in Government. Wrong. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted May 15, 2020 Posted May 15, 2020 23 minutes ago, Bloke said: My point is that 3500 covid 19 related deaths have happened in Sweden. Those are the official stats not some other method that you are trying to dream up. So? 5,000 people have died in New Zealand in 7 weeks. What's your point? Quote
Bloke Posted May 15, 2020 Posted May 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Wrong. No Right: Simple Simon endorsed the Government' s actions on the day that lockdown was announced Quote
Bloke Posted May 15, 2020 Posted May 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: So? 5,000 people have died in New Zealand in 7 weeks. What's your point? Only 20 odd from Covid 19 in NZ, Sweden has had 3500 die from covid 19 (official stats) and still climbing. Quote
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