holy ravioli Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Because there is a corollary with what is happening with racing. Dumb decisions and rules are being made based on poor assumptions derived from bad analysis of bad data. I see you have not bothered with any sound analysis...a pity ,maybe you could improve things. This 'jury' seems to be at odds with your learned conclusions! ' 'A global survey of the public relations industry puts the Ardern government top of the pile. As New Zealand records its second consecutive day of zero new cases of Covid-19, moving cautiously closer towards the goal of “elimination”, the government has received another international plaudit for the response – this time from public relations practitioners. A survey by Stickybeak for the industry news site Provoke found that New Zealand was selected more than any other country as the most impressive response to the virus. It received just over 20% of votes among the 289 respondents in the PR industry, ahead of Germany on 16.5% and Singapore on 9%. The next most common answer, on 5%, was “none”.Spinoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Sorry can't let you hijack another Topic with your rubbish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: A survey by Stickybeak for the industry news site Provoke found that New Zealand was selected more than any other country as the most impressive response to the virus. It received just over 20% of votes among the 289 respondents in the PR industry, ahead of Germany on 16.5% and Singapore on 9%. The next most common answer, on 5%, was “none”.Spinoff. This has nothing to do with the data that supports the decisions that were made. All you are quoting is surveys on people's opinion not fact. One survey done by a PR firm and reported on the Left Wing news site Spinoff. Good old Toby Manhire - still in their pitching for the Queen Ardern. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: This has nothing to do with the data that supports the decisions that were made. All you are quoting is surveys on people's opinion not fact. One survey done by a PR firm and reported on the Left Wing news site Spinoff. Good old Toby Manhire - still in their pitching for the Queen Ardern. And you are apolitical? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 16 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Sorry can't let you hijack another Topic with your rubbish. pure comedy gold! Make your case re..'Because there is a corollary with what is happening with racing. Dumb decisions and rules are being made based on poor assumptions derived from bad analysis of bad data. ' now drum roll....'good decisions and rules made based on sound assumptions from good analysis of good data'... Don't be shy.Bol!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 New Zealand has more hospital beds per head of population than Sweden. According to the latest announcement we need to throw $4b at the DHB's in part to help clear the 150,000 delayed surgeries because of Covid-19. Sweden's hospital system was not overwhelmed by Covid-19. Our's in contrast was underwhelmed with our occupancy rate dropping to below 50%. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: New Zealand has more hospital beds per head of population than Sweden. According to the latest announcement we need to throw $4b at the DHB's in part to help clear the 150,000 delayed surgeries because of Covid-19. Sweden's hospital system was not overwhelmed by Covid-19. Our's in contrast was underwhelmed with our occupancy rate dropping to below 50%. Well they have just gone over 3,000 deaths and still climbing and now they are shitting themselves because their experiment is a failure. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, Bloke said: Well they have just gone over 3,000 deaths and still climbing and now they are shitting themselves because their experiment is a failure. The point I was making is their system was not "overwhelmed" and they coped with less resources than we have out our disposal. Their curve has flattened. Over 5,500 people have died in NZ since lockdown. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 19 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: New Zealand has more hospital beds per head of population than Sweden. According to the latest announcement we need to throw $4b at the DHB's in part to help clear the 150,000 delayed surgeries because of Covid-19. Sweden's hospital system was not overwhelmed by Covid-19. Our's in contrast was underwhelmed with our occupancy rate dropping to below 50%. Dived straight into the deep water....Sweden had no lockdown- so how did this reflect your measure.i.e-'good decisions and rules made based on sound assumptions from good analysis of good data'... You try to divert as usual.Our DHB's had 9 years of neglect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Our DHB's had 9 years of neglect. How many extra ICU beds did Clark's Government provide? While you are researching that have a quick read of her Government's Pandemic Plan and the research they based it on. It's all online. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: How many extra ICU beds did Clark's Government provide? While you are researching that have a quick read of her Government's Pandemic Plan and the research they based it on. It's all online. You keep diverting away Chief....can't you substantiate your criticism?Again... Make your case re..'Because there is a corollary with what is happening with racing. Dumb decisions and rules are being made based on poor assumptions derived from bad analysis of bad data. ' ?♂️? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: The point I was making is their system was not "overwhelmed" and they coped with less resources than we have out our disposal. Their curve has flattened. Over 5,500 people have died in NZ since lockdown. Yes but only 20 odd from Covid 19 and Sweden has over 3,000 from Covid 19 and still climbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bloke said: Yes but only 20 odd from Covid 19 and Sweden has over 3,000 from Covid 19 and still climbing. Obviously your answer is to lock us down until there is a vaccine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, Bloke said: Yes but only 20 odd from Covid 19 They didn't die FROM Covid-19 they died WITH Covid-19. They all had comorbidities that they were dying from anyway. Most were late stage dementia patients. Late stage dementia patients largely die from respiratory infections. Essentially the brain forgets to tell the lungs to breathe properly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said: They didn't die FROM Covid-19 they died WITH Covid-19. They all had comorbidities that they were dying from anyway. Most were late stage dementia patients. Late stage dementia patients largely die from respiratory infections. Essentially the brain forgets to tell the lungs to breathe properly. Piss or get off the..pot...Chief!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Piss or get off the..pot...Chief!? Sorry you will have to elucidate a bit more - which point did you disagree with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said: Sorry you will have to elucidate a bit more - which point did you disagree with? once again-Make your case re..'Because there is a corollary with what is happening with racing. Dumb decisions and rules are being made based on poor assumptions derived from bad analysis of bad data. ' ?♂️? awaiting your-''good decisions and rules made based on sound assumptions from good analysis of good data'... ?️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Welcome to the new world order in NZ: COVID_19 Public Health Response Bill-v5.4.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said: Welcome to the new world order in NZ: COVID_19 Public Health Response Bill-v5.4.pdf 296.3 kB · 0 downloads still ducking and diving...next time think first..and do some research instead of the usual politically inspired kneejerk reaction.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: still ducking and diving...next time think first..and do some research instead of the usual politically inspired kneejerk reaction.? I have done some research and have posted it. It is you that hasn't countered with anything of substance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I have done some research and have posted it. It is you that hasn't countered with anything of substance. Dumping that file is hardly doing some research.You are meant to save that for Friday afternoon! once again-Make your case re..'Because there is a corollary with what is happening with racing. Dumb decisions and rules are being made based on poor assumptions derived from bad analysis of bad data. ' ?♂️? awaiting your-''good decisions and rules made based on sound assumptions from good analysis of good data'... ?️ Where's a sledgehammer....??you dissed the Govts response as being 'dumb' based on...…. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Obviously your answer is to lock us down until there is a vaccine? No you have used a poor example in Sweden to try and justify some sort of point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Bloke said: No you have used a poor example in Sweden to try and justify some sort of point I don't believe so. Their excess mortality is 27% due to Covid-19. You'll find as time goes on that % will drop or even become negative as vulnerable people have died sooner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I don't believe so. Their excess mortality is 27% due to Covid-19. You'll find as time goes on that % will drop or even become negative as vulnerable people have died sooner. why have they had such a huge jump in unemployment given they haven't had lockdown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 57 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I don't believe so. Their excess mortality is 27% due to Covid-19. You'll find as time goes on that % will drop or even become negative as vulnerable people have died sooner. Mate they are in the shit . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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