Bolted or over racing horse

[Chief Stipe]

2 minutes ago, the galah said:

The other horse i had that used to bolt simply was too big,and would hit the footrests at high speed which used to cause him to panic and either bolt or gallop. In the end he just wouldn't run at top speed as i'm sure he was worried about hitting the cart.He was as big and powerful a standardbed as i have ever seen,and i thought as fast as anything i had ever had,but he never raced.

Bigger cart?

[Karrots]

3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

COPY THAT - made a clean beginning at its 45 metre handicap mark. Improved forward from inside the 2300 metres and proceeded to over-race near the 2000 metre mark, pulling fiercely outside the leader approaching the 1200 metres with driver M McKendry taking the colt wider on the track after it appeared to choke down and was then pulled up. Driver M McKendry advised that when restraining the colt, it contacted the sulky wheels with its hind legs which compounded the problem and as a result he had to pull up. A post race Veterinary examination revealed no obvious abnormalities.

Oh yes Chief I saw that. I was meaning, overall no harm. In my mind the driver put the horse wellbeing first. 

[Chief Stipe]

1 minute ago, Karrots said:

Oh yes Chief I saw that. I was meaning, overall no harm. In my mind the driver put the horse wellbeing first. 

He had no option if the horse was choking down.  However a bit of a weird drive from Mckendry.  They way he drove the horse sort of added to the problem.  He restrained the horse twice before the horse got into trouble so created a fight.  For example the second time why didn't McKendry go forward and pass the $50/1 longshot rather than restrain Copy That and let the other horse off the rail to go forward to the lead.  Odd.

 

[the galah]

1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said:

Bigger cart?

We had as big as was legal,with the extensions on,we put him as far forward in the cart as we could,had every bit of gear remade,he had hopples that were 74 inches long and they still looked  too tight. I couldn't even get shoes to fit and struggled to get someone to make them that big, with the right steel. And of course when your dealing with one like that you have your trials and tribulations along the way that can be a bit demoralising.  I think he would go well in those standardbred a.m.p shows they have,as anyone who sees him says he looks outstanding.  

Oh,and my advice to anyone who may be starting off ,is if you have a horse that bolts on the training track,and you can't restrain it,just go with it and keep it on the track and keep going round until it gets a bit tired. Use your energy to restrain it at the right time,and try to do it gradually.Also,don't do that at the point  just before where it normally comes off the track,as you don't want it to be veering off on you, as that could be a little bit dangerous.

[Chief Stipe]

56 minutes ago, the galah said:

Also,don't do that at the point  just before where it normally comes off the track,as you don't want it to be veering off on you, as that could be a little bit dangerous.

We ALWAYS went passed the turnoff, stopped and went back.

LOL had one horse an open class trotter that was incredible.  "Today, do 35 mins jogging, left hand way round"... we'd alternate of course.  I was always just along for the ride - the horse would know which way round and turn the right way each day - slowly warm up and get to jogging speed - dead on 35 mins would go past the turnoff slow down, stop and turn around.  I sat there with the reins in my lap watching the scenery!  Incredible animal.  In races he would look ahead and keep an eye on which horses started to trot rough and would pull out half a cart just before they broke!

[Karrots]

Hi Katch22

I think your horse got 3rd today race 2 Mana. Nice 👍 If so, Im pleased for you - and your racing stable group.

It certainly shakes any slight worries that I may have had, that you may have possibly been an animal welfare person or something. 

Hope this thread was useful for you. 

[Mikie]

On 12/4/2020 at 12:52 PM, the galah said:

We had as big as was legal,with the extensions on,we put him as far forward in the cart as we could,had every bit of gear remade,he had hopples that were 74 inches long and they still looked  too tight. I couldn't even get shoes to fit and struggled to get someone to make them that big, with the right steel. And of course when your dealing with one like that you have your trials and tribulations along the way that can be a bit demoralising.  I think he would go well in those standardbred a.m.p shows they have,as anyone who sees him says he looks outstanding.  

Oh,and my advice to anyone who may be starting off ,is if you have a horse that bolts on the training track,and you can't restrain it,just go with it and keep it on the track and keep going round until it gets a bit tired. Use your energy to restrain it at the right time,and try to do it gradually.Also,don't do that at the point  just before where it normally comes off the track,as you don't want it to be veering off on you, as that could be a little bit dangerous.

Or try the Eric Ryan method

Tie a rope to the horse’s front leg

When he bolts let him build up speed then pull the rope like removable ear plugs

Apparently the horse gets the picture after a few times

True story, remember the top trotter he had? Can’t remember if it was a 3yo or a 4yo

RIP Eric

Mikie

[Enteebee]

47 minutes ago, Mikie said:

 

True story, remember the top trotter he had? Can’t remember if it was a 3yo or a 4yo

RIP Eric

Mikie

Eric was the last trainer of my mare and dam of Majestic Man - she went over the fence at the Waimate Racecourse with the cart on and got cast half way.  couldnt go forward or back and someone suggested cutting the harness off her - Eric wouldnt have a bar of that as it was his best gear - he got her over and she raced later that week in probably her last start as that affected her.

[Chief Stipe]

There are heaps of Eric Ryan stories.

One day he had a horse that refused to unload from a float so he got a rope, tied one end to the horse and the other to a post and then drove the truck away.

Or the one where he was jogging a horse on the Canterbury long acre (the grass roadside).  The horse bolted and tried to cross a cattle crossing.  Got its leg caught.  Eric got out of the cart, pulled out his pipe, looked at the problem and decided to go have a cup of tea.  Coming to the conclusion the horse wasn't going anywhere in a hurry.

Another story which I find hard to believe but apparently true.  A mate was having a cuppa with Eric in view of his training track.  Eric's daughter was working a horse.  Eric saw her and said - "I bloody told her to sack that useless piece of ..."  He got up and went and got a rifle and shot the horse the next time round.

[Mikie]

34 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

There are heaps of Eric Ryan stories.

One day he had a horse that refused to unload from a float so he got a rope, tied one end to the horse and the other to a post and then drove the truck away.

Or the one where he was jogging a horse on the Canterbury long acre (the grass roadside).  The horse bolted and tried to cross a cattle crossing.  Got its leg caught.  Eric got out of the cart, pulled out his pipe, looked at the problem and decided to go have a cup of tea.  Coming to the conclusion the horse wasn't going anywhere in a hurry.

Another story which I find hard to believe but apparently true.  A mate was having a cuppa with Eric in view of his training track.  Eric's daughter was working a horse.  Eric saw her and said - "I bloody told her to sack that useless piece of ..."  He got up and went and got a rifle and shot the horse the next time round.

The last one may have been embellished a bit

I think Eric shot it as it was being led to the wash afterwards(although there may have been 2 shootings)

Trevor Phillips now at Morrinsville was in the wash at the time I understand

Mikir

 

[the galah]

He once transported a horse of ours to Forbury.  It started in an early race and we went home after ot had run. We were in Oamaru at the time and at the end of the night he rung and we met him and he dropped the horse off. Only problem was the horse that came off the float wasn't ours. Not sure who's it was but he put it back on his float and went home to waimate. The next day he went back to forbury,returned the wrong horse,and got ours.