Mikie Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Trailed the leader, couldn't keep up from down the back . You're a hard marker mate!! She did something wrong too? No because I'm actually still supporting the sport and drivers. Go Mark !!!! what a ripper he is !! (and Pete) outdrive you and me Mikie. You say i'm blind but still want my opinion on this incorrect Note of yours .?? make up your mind . Pete was already hauling his runner back to last at the 1200m mark , IMO didn't get near threatening COLT THIRTY ONE for the deathseat at the 1400m mark. KingoftheStars and Lilac Flash were both LAST at the bell 1000m Out. At the 800m NO ONE was near COLT THIRTY ONE. the second placegetter BRIGHT ENERGY back in the field commenced his run at this stage but was NO WHERE near COLT THIRTY ONE . Bright Energy came up to his wheel then switched back to inside 400m out. Does that help ?? COLT THIRTY ONE had No-one outside him from the 1200m to the finish ???? Pretty lucky for him compared to usual pressure he gets ? Are you watching the same race as me? DON'T believe ME if YOU don't want too. I enjoyed the race , Nice close finish AND thought that NZers would too. That is why I posted it !!!! Won't bother anymore as No support as you Say . just Davis. Too many haters. Yes she did, she killed her horse to cross with the sole intention of getting COLT 3 deep on the markers, but COLT's driver was awake to that and eased off Apologies, a 28.1 second quarter with 1200m to go, you are quite right, I should pay more attention, however this only makes things look worse for the drivers, not better Why did Lilac Flash pull 3 wi4 wide to let King Of The Stars through? Was the going better out wide? I think One Change went great and good on him, but I think the smart money was on the 2nd horse Take it from me, there was nearly $100,000 on COLT to get beaten, you can't really answer that? You inferred he was a champion or close to it and I agree, so what did those laying $100,000 know? Mikie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mikie said: Yes she did, she killed her horse to cross with the sole intention of getting COLT 3 deep on the markers, but COLT's driver was awake to that and eased off Apologies, a 28.1 second quarter with 1200m to go, you are quite right, I should pay more attention, however this only makes things look worse for the drivers, not better Why did Lilac Flash pull 3 wi4 wide to let King Of The Stars through? Was the going better out wide? I think One Change went great and good on him, but I think the smart money was on the 2nd horse Take it from me, there was nearly $100,000 on COLT to get beaten, you can't really answer that? You inferred he was a champion or close to it and I agree, so what did those laying $100,000 know? Mikie Fair go . Chantel drew 2 and crossed COLT THIRTY ONE easily before the first corner, surely there's nothing wrong with that ????? YOU ARE ALLOWED to do that without being called a cheat. Lilac Flash went wide as COLT THIRTY ONE left the one out trail and gave him a shunt / bump/ fright WHatever you want to call it Mikie ? The move cost Grant $200 fine. NO , I already told you I don't know about the bet. A VERY STUPID one if you are asking my opinion. reckon they were sweating with 100m to go though. I personally have never backed a horse to get beaten, ever. What a stupid idea that is for everybody. Have a look how Mikie is crying Foul because of it. Shove their Betfair up their arses, upsetting Mikie like this.!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I'm more aligned to your assessment than the others. Thought the King of the Stars drive was odd but the horse wasn't travelling that well to put the heat on anything. If the horse wasn't travelling well Chief, why did the Driver leave the 1 out, 2 back position to run a 28.1 quarter 3 wide with 1200m to go? Bit odd you say? Really odd I'd say There's hubby, wife, sister out there and all there horses were driven in a questionable way. Couple that with the winning Trainer's sister, driving Lilac Flash, pulling her horse 4 wide for no reason You're not a complete noddy or novice Chief, what do you think convinced anyone to wager near $100,000 on COLT to get beat? That's not on any other runner to win, but on COLT to be beaten. It was the highest amount laid against any horse on the night. Isn't that strange? I can't follow Gammalite at all. I haven't called him a nutter, in fact I haven't called him anything at all. By disagreeing with him myself and Enteebee are now haters? Tell him to grow a pair As well as the Luke McCarthy debacle with the PBD Group 3 races there's also the stigma of EPO in Ozzie How many horses have come out and pissed in having their 1st start in 4 weeks? Crikey, one the ex-Kiwi Jack Trainor drove would have run 3 more laps if they hadn't have installed disc brakes Mikie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Mikie said: If the horse wasn't travelling well Chief, why did the Driver leave the 1 out, 2 back position to run a 28.1 quarter 3 wide with 1200m to go? Bit odd you say? Really odd I'd say He wasn't travelling well AFTER he couldn't get past Colt 31. Colt 31 held him out easily and it was the leader at the time that put in the quick quarter. Why couldn't/didn't Colt 31 hold the lead from the ace draw? Are you saying Colt 31 was driven deliberately to get beaten? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Fair go . Chantel drew 2 and crossed COLT THIRTY ONE easily before the first corner, surely there's nothing wrong with that ????? YOU ARE ALLOWED to do that without being called a cheat. Lilac Flash went wide as COLT THIRTY ONE left the one out trail and gave him a shunt / bump/ fright WHatever you want to call it Mikie ? The move cost Grant $200 fine. NO , I already told you I don't know about the bet. A VERY STUPID one if you are asking my opinion. reckon they were sweating with 100m to go though. I personally have never backed a horse to get beaten, ever. What a stupid idea that is for everybody. Have a look how Mikie is crying Foul because of it. Shove their Betfair up their arses, upsetting Mikie like this.!! Are you ok Gammalite? Betfair is a licensed operator, people match with each other, it is a completely normal operation. You could argue that by backing #1 to win on the Tote, you are betting that #2, #3, #4 etc are going to lose. Not a hell of a lot different. What stands out is that so much was bet on COLT to lose. That's abnormal Lilac Flash was marginally forced 3 wide and cost COL;T'S driver $300. Why did she go 4 wide? I'm not at all upset nor am I crying foul I'm just saying I think that a small family cartel cheated in order to get the favourite beaten Mikie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: He wasn't travelling well AFTER he couldn't get past Colt 31. Colt 31 held him out easily and it was the leader at the time that put in the quick quarter. Why couldn't/didn't Colt 31 hold the lead from the ace draw? Are you saying Colt 31 was driven deliberately to get beaten? What a nonsensical question COLT was beaten for speed out of the gate It's the tactics of other Drivers I have described that are the cause of concern Of course he couldn't get past COLT, he was never good enough, not on past performances, not in anyone's book So why did he leave the 1 out, 3 back line to sizzle 3 wide? Oh , and the leader went the 28.1 second quarter? The death and the 3 wide didn't? He got 3 weeks, he's bloody lucky Why do you feel the need to sully the waters with dumb posts? Is Gammalite really Brodie? Mikie Edited December 21, 2020 by Mikie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mikie said: COLT was beaten for speed out of the gate I don’t believe it was "beaten for speed" however if it was then that's where it lost the race. 4 minutes ago, Mikie said: So why did he leave the 1 out, 3 back line to sizzle 3 wide? Dumb move yes and that's why he got pinged. But did it materially change the outcome? 5 minutes ago, Mikie said: Oh , and the leader went the 28.1 second quarter? The death and the 3 wide didn't? The leader dictated the fast sectional - no way was it handing up to the two outside it. Are you suggesting that Colt 31 was softened up by a horse it easily held out or the leader? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Apparently I ask too many questions for poor Gammalite's liking But here';s another couple Why were Luke McCarthy's horses (oops again, Mr Cross's horses) allowed to start on 12.12.20 after a used syringe with Aloe Vera in it was discovered in the Stables on raceday? Does anyone else think it's strange that the syringe was only used on 3 horses that weren't racing that night according to Mccarthy, oops Cross, no oops the stablehand? Mikie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, Mikie said: I can't follow Gammalite at all. I haven't called him a nutter, in fact I haven't called him anything at all. By disagreeing with him myself and Enteebee are now haters? You sure bombed me with questions about stuff you didn't 'seem to LIKE' Mikie. A whole range of accusations about families, cheats, McCarthy's , EPO, even poor Chantel sitting behind leader, check out your own Posts , grizzling about everything . So if calling you a 'Hater ' upsets you , Should we go for 'strong critic of everything harness racing , esp Oz?' and anyway I do now agree with your original thought !!!! so not to be a Nutter, The QLD Stipes are pathetic. Fancy giving Pete 3 weeks for that !!! Maybe they should grow a pair. Humour mate humour !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I don’t believe it was "beaten for speed" however if it was then that's where it lost the race. Dumb move yes and that's why he got pinged. But did it materially change the outcome? The leader dictated the fast sectional - no way was it handing up to the two outside it. Are you suggesting that Colt 31 was softened up by a horse it easily held out or the leader? The leader did not dictate the sectional The 2 outside the leader were responsible for the speed Don't you think most leaders would prefer a 30 second quarter? Yes I think it materially affected the outcome One Change went so good he may have won anyway, but COLT if not winning runs 2nd I never had a bet, but this was so obvious that it was ridiculous So a leading reinsman gets 3 weeks for an unacceptable drive? Why did he drive so unacceptably in this race? Just coincidence? Edited December 21, 2020 by Mikie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Gammalite said: You sure bombed me with questions about stuff you didn't 'seem to LIKE' Mikie. A whole range of accusations about families, cheats, McCarthy's , EPO, even poor Chantel sitting behind leader, check out your own Posts , grizzling about everything . So if calling you a 'Hater ' upsets you , Should we go for 'strong critic of everything harness racing , esp Oz?' and anyway I do now agree with your original thought !!!! so not to be a Nutter, The QLD Stipes are pathetic. Fancy giving Pete 3 weeks for that !!! Maybe they should grow a pair. Humour mate humour !! Again, where does the "everything." come in? I post about 1 race, and it offshoots into an illegal training setup and EPO That's 3 things, that's not "everything' Gammalite ,Mikie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Gammalite said: You sure bombed me with questions about stuff you didn't 'seem to LIKE' Mikie. A whole range of accusations about families, cheats, McCarthy's , EPO, even poor Chantel sitting behind leader, check out your own Posts , grizzling about everything . So if calling you a 'Hater ' upsets you , Should we go for 'strong critic of everything harness racing , esp Oz?' and anyway I do now agree with your original thought !!!! so not to be a Nutter, The QLD Stipes are pathetic. Fancy giving Pete 3 weeks for that !!! Maybe they should grow a pair. Humour mate humour !! So he's either incompetent or a leading driver If he is a leading driver why did he drive like an Amateur? Just coincidence? Nothing to do with the punt on COLT to get beaten? Yeah right mate Mikie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Mikie said: The 2 outside the leader were responsible for the speed So you are saying the leader should have handed up to Colt 31? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Just now, Chief Stipe said: So you are saying the leader should have handed up to Colt 31? FFS, are you trying to be thick? I said the leader didn't dictate the speed The speed he went was in order to keep the other 2 out So the other 2 went the same 28.1 quarter and went harder if anything because they weren't on the pole line If they hadn't been up there outside him doing it do you think the leader's Driver would have just chucked in a 28 second quarter for fun? Stick to the Thoroughbreds Chief, you're out of your depth I think your posts are more about disagreeing with me, you probably have no real view whatsoever Mikie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Mikie said: Again, where does the "everything." come in? I post about 1 race, and it offshoots into an illegal training setup and EPO That's 3 things, that's not "everything' Gammalite ,Mikie Excellent !! Glad you enjoy all the racing then, like pref draws treatment Last year christmas Cup team driving, turnbulls , jacks plenty of stuff to chew on there Mikie that you have posted. You can Feel the Love. (not hater) Have a nice evening ,!! Am sure the McCarthys and McMullens are, as is a great day here. Don't they do so well.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Just now, Gammalite said: Excellent !! Glad you enjoy all the racing then, like pref draws treatment Last year christmas Cup team driving, turnbulls , jacks plenty of stuff to chew on there Mikie that you have posted. You can Feel the Love. (not hater) Have a nice evening ,!! Am sure the McCarthys and McMullens are, as is a great day here. Don't they do so well.? I'm sure they sleep great Gammalite After all, horses are just commodities aren't they Let's just fark them up with EPO, blood blockers and whatever Who cares if a few die, there's plenty more Mikie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Just now, Mikie said: FFS, are you trying to be thick? I said the leader didn't dictate the speed The speed he went was in order to keep the other 2 out So the other 2 went the same 28.1 quarter and went harder if anything because they weren't on the pole line If they hadn't been up there outside him doing it do you think the leader's Driver would have just chucked in a 28 second quarter for fun? Stick to the Thoroughbreds Chief, you're out of your depth I think your posts are more about disagreeing with me, you probably have no real view whatsoever Mikie No I think you are wrong. Have another look at the start Colt 31 could have tried harder to keep the lead. The driver takes a big hold - watch how he slows those behind and then nips off the markers to get one out. Now he was in the one:one but behind a horse that was never going to figure in the finish. So it didn't matter what horse came up on the three wide train Colt 31 was going to come out first and go sit parked. As for throwing in a 28 the leader wanted to keep the lead. The next quarter was 31. Why didn't Colt 31 push for the lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mikie said: If they hadn't been up there outside him doing it do you think the leader's Driver would have just chucked in a 28 second quarter for fun? Colt 31 wasn't going to stay in the one:one behind a slow horse for long. Someone was going to have a crack 3 wide at some stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Just now, Chief Stipe said: No I think you are wrong. Have another look at the start Colt 31 could have tried harder to keep the lead. The driver takes a big hold - watch how he slows those behind and then nips off the markers to get one out. Now he was in the one:one but behind a horse that was never going to figure in the finish. So it didn't matter what horse came up on the three wide train Colt 31 was going to come out first and go sit parked. As for throwing in a 28 the leader wanted to keep the lead. The next quarter was 31. Why didn't Colt 31 push for the lead? I'm sure COLT was quite happy to ease off the gate, then move around and sit parked Although he might have had 2nd thoughts when he lobbed the 1x1 Push for the lead after a 28.1 quarter when the leader wasn''t handing? Are you a great fan of speed duels and both horses dropping out? Mikie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said: Colt 31 wasn't going to stay in the one:one behind a slow horse for long. Someone was going to have a crack 3 wide at some stage. Yes that's true And then COLT would have eased out and gone to the death What you seem to be avoiding is why a horse in the 1 out, 2 back would bolt up 3 wide outside a horse like COLT? Perhaps the Driver was an Amateur? Oh no, he;'s a leading reinsman. So WTF did he do it? Mikie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harewood Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 I watched this race live and thought there was nothing wrong with it in relation to many others races I have watched. Due to the controversy now posted have watched again several times. Only two incidents I took notice of, 1/ King of Stars comming out of the 1 two was unusual but the way McMullan drives and maybe thought he would be best placed facing the breeze the lst lap. In hindsite was obviously a bad move and 2/ Why didnt Dixon take the trail at the turn and then use the passing lane. Would prpbably have won then The horse 3rd at this point dived down to trail and only just failed. A good race to watch and like many races you see in Aus, horses driven hard off the gate and then lots of chalenges unlike NZ where we stay in formation and there are so many unluckly runners (or not wanting to ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Just now, Harewood said: I watched this race live and thought there was nothing wrong with it in relation to many others races I have watched. Due to the controversy now posted have watched again several times. Only two incidents I took notice of, 1/ King of Stars comming out of the 1 two was unusual but the way McMullan drives and maybe thought he would be best placed facing the breeze the lst lap. In hindsite was obviously a bad move and 2/ Why didnt Dixon take the trail at the turn and then use the passing lane. Would prpbably have won then The horse 3rd at this point dived down to trail and only just failed. A good race to watch and like many races you see in Aus, horses driven hard off the gate and then lots of chalenges unlike NZ where we stay in formation and there are so many unluckly runners (or not wanting to ) Nothing strange about Lilac Flash going 4 wide for no reason Harewood? Lost her compass? Mikie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Mikie said: I'm sure COLT was quite happy to ease off the gate, then move around and sit parked Although he might have had 2nd thoughts when he lobbed the 1x1 Push for the lead after a 28.1 quarter when the leader wasn''t handing? Are you a great fan of speed duels and both horses dropping out? Mikie Mikie you are working from the premise that the race was dodgie and someone cleaned up on Betfair. I'm viewing the race based on the circumstances as they evolved in the race i.e. no preconceived view or bias. In my opinion Colt 31 could have tried harder to keep the lead from the draw. What then followed was reacting to evolving circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 After some research the horse that Jack drove was Hollywood Rooki 31 starts without a win Atimely break and then 2 wins at Bathurst and Canberra Running a second outside Scandalman's, the Derby winner, track record under a stranglehold It must be the water in those spelling paddocks Mikie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mikie said: Nothing strange about Lilac Flash going 4 wide for no reason Harewood? What material impact did that have on the race? Zip, zilch, nada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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