Thomass Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Let's consign this nonsense to the outhouse once and for all.... Some wag from the Viaduct spewed forth some Trump news... "Fawcett has an horrendous careless record cf to Opee" Jazz's five guilty Careless in the last year to Opee's 4...he had one in Sydney in April which the hopeless RIU didn't count...even though ALL suspensions are transferable World Wide...who knew? But the Stats that the 'none who are so blind' fail to see are the number of rides Jazz's 260 cf 130 for Opee So Opee's Careless riding record is almost TWICE as bad as Jazz's... Of course the HOPELESS RIU/JCA simply ignore that... So Oatham said "Opee's got quite a good record" Dear John...yea na Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 So the viaductee continues the b/s narrative... Lets look at the official report into Fawcett's careless ride cf Opee's Oh look, Opee got an extra upload from the EQUAL "low" range due to the FACT his 2 were G 2 races to Jazz's G3 Its that simple...and has been CONSISTENTLY applied...that's why both FRIVOLOUS appeals were dismissed... Look, Its even written down Rule 920(2) empowers a Committee in imposing a penalty to have due regard to such matters as it considers appropriate including: (a) the Status of the Race; (b) the stake payable in respect of the Race; (c) any consequential effects upon any person or horse as a result of the breach of the Rule; and/or (d) the need to maintain integrity and public confidence in racing.In terms of the Status of the Race it is the practice of this Committee, which is consistent with how others have interpreted the Rule, to apply uplift as follows:Group (1) – 3-day upliftGroup (2) – 2-day uplift Group (3) and Listed – 1-day uplift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) Get a load of this batshit crazy post as a repost to mine.. "In addition you don’t seem to understand that the group status means nothing, it’s the stake that matters, hence the listed Karaka Millions is considered more valuable than the G2 races on NYD. Furthermore you don’t seem to understand that the City of Auckland Cup was an open handicap and this isn’t rated by the international stakes grading committee, because it’s historically ( like most handicaps won by low rates horses ) It does though carry a G1 equivalent stake of $200k BTW Fawcett had 3 previous careless charges in the preceding 12 months, in NZ, Opie had 1." Its Trumpesque in its naivety and ignorance...fake news into plain fantasy The reason the JCA use the above upgraded penalty guidelines for Group racing is because even Group racing has variations in stake money... If the above fake news "it's the stake that matters" were true the Herbie Dyke at 400K would attract more suspension days than the HB G1 at 250k... ....which simply doesn't happen The only races that do are the $ Million races for obvious reasons...they're treated like G1's... So after Opee's horror Christmas show....Fawcett had 5 and Opee 4...just as I said... ...and overseas suspensions ARE included in JCA considerations WTF knew?...not the above batshit crazy viaductee that's for sure Edited January 21, 2021 by Thomass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Shouldn't matter what the class of race it is nor the stake money. The crime is the same therefore the penalty should be the same. Whether you steal a 55 inch Smart TV off a rich lister in St Heliers and one off a beneficiary in Glenn Innes the penalty should be the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 I agree with that. Morality shouldn't be defined in dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 40 minutes ago, Freda said: I agree with that. Morality shouldn't be defined in dollars. That's why I find this appalling. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/racing-jockey-shortage-sees-reduction-of-big-bans/4Y6QC3BPO3NZRFNFOY6SJNQWUQ/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Shouldn't matter what the class of race it is nor the stake money. The crime is the same therefore the penalty should be the same. Whether you steal a 55 inch Smart TV off a rich lister in St Heliers and one off a beneficiary in Glenn Innes the penalty should be the same. The only caveat to that is that because the money is bigger that jocks are prepared to be more reckless to get the result . They aren't going to give a shit if they can't get a run in a 10k mdn , but make that a 200k G1 and the brain works differently . Human nature . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 25 minutes ago, nomates said: The only caveat to that is that because the money is bigger that jocks are prepared to be more reckless to get the result . They aren't going to give a shit if they can't get a run in a 10k mdn , but make that a 200k G1 and the brain works differently . Human nature . That may be so but it doesn't change the fact that the safety outcome to horse and rider from careless or reckless riding is the same regardless of the race type or stakes. Using my TV analogy just because there may be more 55 inch Smart TV's in St Heliers and they might be a bit newer and worth more doesn't change the crime nor the penalty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: That may be so but it doesn't change the fact that the safety outcome to horse and rider from careless or reckless riding is the same regardless of the race type or stakes. I'm not disagreeing , i'm saying their brain turns to shit because they see the big bucks up , not justifying it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 45 minutes ago, nomates said: The only caveat to that is that because the money is bigger that jocks are prepared to be more reckless to get the result . They aren't going to give a shit if they can't get a run in a 10k mdn , but make that a 200k G1 and the brain works differently . Human nature . That's a fair point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, nomates said: The only caveat to that is that because the money is bigger that jocks are prepared to be more reckless to get the result . They aren't going to give a shit if they can't get a run in a 10k mdn , but make that a 200k G1 and the brain works differently . Human nature . Yep, just ask Hugh Bowman and Tommy Berry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Two horses died due to their desperation, or misjudgement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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