eljay Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Northern Fields this week - 73 at Cambridge tomorrow & 52 at Auckland Friday. What a great advertisement for the yearling sales at Karaka Saturday. And if you look at the dates for the next three months you will see double ups nearly every week for 3 months at least. Surely - just surely - someone in command can see this cannot continue. It's no good pulling down the blinds and turning out the lights, that will just not work, I would sincerely hope one of the industry's leaders will make some sort of statement as to the state of the Industry - the shareholders surely deserve this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) Hey Eljay, Not disagreeing with you or anything. I posted a link to a Lincoln Farms article on another thread about a virus sweeping the North, maybe you missed it, here are some bits from it could be a contributor, also I guess with double up Camb/Auckland & low North numbers in general anyway. Not good tho hey. Lincoln Farms has fallen victim to a seasonal virus sweeping northern stables which threatens to impact on field sizes in the next couple of weeks. All three of Lincoln Farms’ two-year-olds who raced at Alexandra Park on Friday night came back with snot coming out their noses, Sugar Apple, Argyle and Major Grace all racing below expectations. And Lincoln Farms’ two runners at Cambridge on Sunday, Captain Nemo and Themightyserina, were scratched showing symptoms of the virus. Cambridge trainers, including Nicky Chilcott, Arna Donnelly and Matty White are also battling the virus which is rapidly spreading in a hot and dusty environment. Green says stable stars Copy That and American Dealer both have the virus and plans to trial them this week have been canned. Edited February 10, 2021 by Karrots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 Yes aware of the virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 Clubs seem to adopt an "oh well" attitude. Nobody wants to either try something or even discuss it. Yes, there are a lot of horses exported, many sold at bargain basement prices. Is there a way we could discourage this or make it less profitable. I'm damned if I can find an answer Should we charge big levies on exported horses that do not return after a given period. Or has it now reached the shrug shoulders situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 58 minutes ago, eljay said: I'm damned if I can find an answer Or has it now reached the shrug shoulders situation. Have no idea either. Didn’t grass track always get big fields? When I see Oz has more horses, I think is that because they have more owners due to a bigger population pool to share the cost around eg, 5 mill compared to 24-25 mill to pay the bills = more horses = more races = more competitive there? I honestly don’t know that just a guess as to a potential contributing factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Karrots said: Have no idea either. Didn’t grass track always get big fields? When I see Oz has more horses, I think is that because they have more owners due to a bigger population pool to share the cost around eg, 5 mill compared to 24-25 mill to pay the bills = more horses = more races = more competitive there? I honestly don’t know that just a guess as to a potential contributing factor. I think you are close there Karrots. the big fields DO NOT help IMO. everyone wants to have a winner , so you need them Winning. I would say smaller fields so instead of 14-15-16 you go to 8-9 or 10 runners. (Punters more likely to hit a winner too and stay loyal) 2 winners instead of current 1. You need to cut the stake money to be able to do that and spread it around, BUT your chances of earning some increase dramatically. as an owner or trainer, plus bonus of more WINNNERS !!! Also have to squeeze extra meeting in to cater extra races, and shorten distance of race (BRODIE will hate that lol) so that the horses can race 'Week to week ' without burning out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Gammalite said: I think you are close there Karrots. the big fields DO NOT help IMO. everyone wants to have a winner , so you need them Winning. I would say smaller fields so instead of 14-15-16 you go to 8-9 or 10 runners. (Punters more likely to hit a winner too and stay loyal) 2 winners instead of current 1. You need to cut the stake money to be able to do that and spread it around, BUT your chances of earning some increase dramatically. as an owner or trainer, plus bonus of more WINNNERS !!! Also have to squeeze extra meeting in to cater extra races, and shorten distance of race (BRODIE will hate that lol) so that the horses can race 'Week to week ' without burning out. Yes that's what I would go for as an owner, strategy to race in a small field lol. More chance to win. Thats why I was like go for a Jnr drive race in North, but last race they got big numbers. I like 8-9 or max 10 at Camb and Alex. Too big otherwise. More chance for everyone entered to run in top 4. Much harder for most horses to win or place once they out the back of field with 12-13, Mid-race moving in a field of 12-13 is hard work from the back. But the overall point I think Eljay is making is the numbers down etc. Edited February 10, 2021 by Karrots 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 7 hours ago, eljay said: Northern Fields this week - 73 at Cambridge tomorrow & 52 at Auckland Friday. What a great advertisement for the yearling sales at Karaka Saturday. And if you look at the dates for the next three months you will see double ups nearly every week for 3 months at least. Surely - just surely - someone in command can see this cannot continue. It's no good pulling down the blinds and turning out the lights, that will just not work, I would sincerely hope one of the industry's leaders will make some sort of statement as to the state of the Industry - the shareholders surely deserve this. Manawatu have a 5 race mini meeting next week,wouldn't need to do much to beat the numbers further north,will be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 North Island harness is stuffed. Not sure how they can continue to pay the bigger stakes in Auckland, and the racing is boring as well. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just looked at the fields for Friday night! The fields are not worth punting into as there will be no value and all the divvies are going to be pathetic and fixed odds short! Another meeting that is going to be a loss for the club! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiplash smile Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Brodie said: Just looked at the fields for Friday night! The fields are not worth punting into as there will be no value and all the divvies are going to be pathetic and fixed odds short! Another meeting that is going to be a loss for the club! `on the money` there brodster used to be my fav track and make some coin. when they first implemented that cambridge bike track when steven reid use to get excited , it set the precedent for front running domination, it is a joke brodie! These fields look like pukekohe workouts! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 66 nominations for Manawatus 5 races,in the context of things that's not bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 House 14, The Dicksons 12, Doody 8 - that's over half! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Does seem odd House going that far for one day,does he still train at Ascot Park,does anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 8 hours ago, mikeynz said: 66 nominations for Manawatus 5 races,in the context of things that's not bad. Interesting calling Manawatu a mini meeting with 5 races,probably,what does that make Auckland with 6 races? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 20 minutes ago, mikeynz said: Interesting calling Manawatu a mini meeting with 5 races,probably,what does that make Auckland with 6 races? Doesn’t Gavel House have a Gavel House Plus, so maybe could be called Mini Meeting Plus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 and still the second & third raters cross the Tasman to new lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) 6 races now at Manawatu,just the same as Auckland. I have said before they need to try and get dual code meetings in the CD area,this one is in conjunction with the dogs,I think the harness leaders who are closing down harness in CD should be sacked,replaced by new people. Edited February 11, 2021 by mikeynz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 Not really a dual code meeting - same as usual Cambridge meetings. Dogs first then harness. When they first announced these meetings I envisaged alternate races with only 15 minutes between the two codes - i.e. 4 races in an hour quickfire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, eljay said: Not really a dual code meeting - same as usual Cambridge meetings. Dogs first then harness. Saw a Green MP plans to draft a bill to put an end to dog racing in NZ. Yikes for the doggie folk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, eljay said: Not really a dual code meeting - same as usual Cambridge meetings. Dogs first then harness. When they first announced these meetings I envisaged alternate races with only 15 minutes between the two codes - i.e. 4 races in an hour quickfire. Maybe if there weren't greyhounds racing every week then Palmy might well have been gone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 On 10/02/2021 at 10:05 PM, Brodie said: Not sure how they can continue to pay the bigger stakes in Auckland i think the plan is to use the profits from their apartments project Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Rangatira said: i think the plan is to use the profits from their apartments project Ranga, not sure there are any profits are there? It has had huge cost overruns and incompetence by some along the way I believe. Has the Commercial Buildings been sold, do you know? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Ranga, not sure there are any profits are there? It has had huge cost overruns and incompetence by some along the way I believe. Has the Commercial Buildings been sold, do you know? unsure but .... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) On 2/12/2021 at 12:28 PM, eljay said: Not really a dual code meeting - same as usual Cambridge meetings. Dogs first then harness. When they first announced these meetings I envisaged alternate races with only 15 minutes between the two codes - i.e. 4 races in an hour quickfire. Here is a observation regarding dual code meetings,Wanganui gallops friday,why not some harness races as well,with Manawatu tomorrow would not be too hard to get enough for 4 or 5 races,all these grass tracks should have a few trot races.better to promote it not demote. These mini meetings at Palmy could easily be tied to a gallop meeting somewhere. Edited February 15, 2021 by mikeynz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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