Guest CrossCodes Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 The time has come for someone to intervene and tell this young lass that being a jockey just is not for her. She has had multiple warnings and chances to show she is competent but it just isn’t to be. Is the standard down south so low that anyone capable of even sitting on a horse gets a jockeys license? And it’s just not her I’m referring to, the standard of riding down there is the equivalent to a picnic meeting in Australia every weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Which of her rides did you back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 20 minutes ago, CrossCodes said: The time has come for someone to intervene and tell this young lass that being a jockey just is not for her. She has had multiple warnings and chances to show she is competent but it just isn’t to be. Is the standard down south so low that anyone capable of even sitting on a horse gets a jockeys license? And it’s just not her I’m referring to, the standard of riding down there is the equivalent to a picnic meeting in Australia every weekend. Totally agree , i backed that horse Saigon Hot Night , disgraceful , sat 5l last 15+ from the lead and never moved till in the straight and flew home to be 5l from the winner . I was going to write something but thought WTF . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostradamus Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 The standard of the south island jockeys is borderline dangerous, it seems like they can claim a license off of a cereal packet!! It's only a matter if time before someone is seriously hurt or even killed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, Nostradamus said: The standard of the south island jockeys is borderline dangerous, it seems like they can claim a license off of a cereal packet!! It's only a matter if time before someone is seriously hurt or even killed. Na NZTR are onto it. They'll fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gospel of Judas Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Three years back, some grave me shit, for suggesting NZ racing heading toward picnic level. Looks like was right... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Na NZTR are onto it. They'll fix it. The problem is they think they already have . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Hard to know what the alternative is. We are probably lucky to have the ones we have. It is hardly an attractive live-style. What other occupation do you face the possibility of a month or so with no earnings if you make a split second mistake doing your job? A rugby player keeps getting paid if he gets banned for a month or so. If you are in the SI you only have one race-meeting every couple of weeks, unless you want to make a 16 hour round trip then you might get one meeting a week, often with only 7 or 8 races. And then whenever there is the occasional decent meeting a NI jockey will pop down for any decent months. And they can hardly learn their trade at low key meetings as our tiered racing system is a joke. Hopefully someone is trying to encourage them to learn from their mistakes. Nothing wrong with constructive criticism, its the only way they will learn. What steps are being taken to make sure CWJ passes on his knowledge to the new generation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 The problem is doomed they don't seem to learn from their mistakes , i see countless jocks making the same dumbass mistakes time and again , they very rarely held to account . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Just read the stipes report and the did question her but she said the got squeezed at the start and would appreciate some moisture , that to me says she had a pre determined mindset on riding this horse , she showed no vigor to get this horse to improve before the turn . As i said not really held to account . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, nomates said: The problem is doomed they don't seem to learn from their mistakes , i see countless jocks making the same dumbass mistakes time and again , they very rarely held to account . There are some pretty ordinary jockeys in the North as well. There are certain ones I would never touch, based on one or two shocking rides. The Southern ones are probably getting more opportunities than previously at the moment because the northern ones can't readily travel South. I hope they are making the most of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 36 minutes ago, Doomed said: There are some pretty ordinary jockeys in the North as well. There are certain ones I would never touch, based on one or two shocking rides. The Southern ones are probably getting more opportunities than previously at the moment because the northern ones can't readily travel South. I hope they are making the most of it. I have got to the stage where i just have to hope the jock can do a half decent job and the horse can overcome any dumb shit the jock does for the other half of the ride . I simply don't have big bets anymore other than OPB on a Te Akau horse , just don't have the confidence that the others won't fuck it up , and that lack of confidence has been proven correct on most occasions . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Doomed said: Hard to know what the alternative is. We are probably lucky to have the ones we have. It is hardly an attractive live-style. What other occupation do you face the possibility of a month or so with no earnings if you make a split second mistake doing your job? A rugby player keeps getting paid if he gets banned for a month or so. If you are in the SI you only have one race-meeting every couple of weeks, unless you want to make a 16 hour round trip then you might get one meeting a week, often with only 7 or 8 races. And then whenever there is the occasional decent meeting a NI jockey will pop down for any decent months. And they can hardly learn their trade at low key meetings as our tiered racing system is a joke. Hopefully someone is trying to encourage them to learn from their mistakes. Nothing wrong with constructive criticism, its the only way they will learn. What steps are being taken to make sure CWJ passes on his knowledge to the new generation? CWJ is just jogging along trying to keep out of their way. FFS, Walsh is their 'mentor'...clearly he isn't passing much on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 i watched Kozzi Asano on [ I think] Summer Monsoon, nearly fell off when the horse rolled in sharply, but at no time was there any attempt to pull his stick through to straighten his horse. And he is way better than most. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Freda said: CWJ is just jogging along trying to keep out of their way. FFS, Walsh is their 'mentor'...clearly he isn't passing much on. And they have Harris up North , and IMO none of the apprentices are any better for it . We've had this discussion plenty Freda , but we see no improvement , if anything in some areas things are worse . Worse case scenario someone is going to die before they wake up . It's really like no one is talking to these kids and asking if they understand what they are doing right or wrong in race . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 9 hours ago, Freda said: i watched Kozzi Asano on [ I think] Summer Monsoon, nearly fell off when the horse rolled in sharply, but at no time was there any attempt to pull his stick through to straighten his horse. And he is way better than most. Yeah I watched a couple of his efforts and his balance was way off. Seems to turn side on and whip with an extravagant style. I was surprised because the last time I watched him quite some time ago he seemed OK. Should post some Stewards vision. Looks like wounded ducks riding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Here is the Stewards Report from Ashburton yesterday. I wonder if Terry Moseley got done through frustration as he is normally one of the best riders. I counted 20 mentions of "crowded" or "hampered"! Competitive bunch these South Island riders! Report 2021-10-16 Ashburton.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 11 hours ago, Freda said: i watched Kozzi Asano on [ I think] Summer Monsoon, nearly fell off when the horse rolled in sharply, but at no time was there any attempt to pull his stick through to straighten his horse. And he is way better than most. Asano had an excuse Freda! Must have been to the @Thomass School of Creative Racing Excuses And Misinformation (SCREAM)! SUMMER MONSOON (K Asano) - Bumped from the inside passing the 300 metres. Rider dropped his outside rein when it became entangled with his whip near the 150 metres. Shifted inwards under pressure near the 50 metres placing LIVE DRAMA in restricted room. K Asano was advised to exercise greater care and straighten his mount sooner than he had on this occasion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 16 hours ago, CrossCodes said: The time has come for someone to intervene and tell this young lass that being a jockey just is not for her. Race 9 VALACHI DOWNS 1400m SAIGON HOT NIGHT (M Taylor) - Crowded shortly after the start losing ground. Stewards spoke to apprentice rider M Taylor in the presence of the Apprentice Riding Mentor in regard to her mount losing contact with the field, particularly through the middle stages. M Taylor advised that after being crowded at the start the gelding had been flat and lost ground in the early and middle stages on a good tempo despite her efforts, adding that SAIGON HOT NIGHT was probably looking for tracks with more moisture and further distance. Stewards noted M Taylor’s comments but advised her that in future in similar circumstances she would be expected to show more vigour to keep her mounts in touch with the body of the field. I must say the Harness Stewards are harder on this type of stuff than the Thoroughbreds. Not that they are consistent either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 11 hours ago, Freda said: CWJ is just jogging along trying to keep out of their way. FFS, Walsh is their 'mentor'...clearly he isn't passing much on. I get the impression that the Apprentice Mentors are just there for support when the Apprentice gets called before the Stewards. Or perhaps they use their extensive experience from their list of excuses to help the Apprentice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Why is it that OZ can have the Race video and Stewards vision of a race posted online within an hour or less of the race time? If Walsh is doing his job he will have a big video and whiteboard session on Monday. Heaps of material in here to work on. ASHB-R06-161021.mp4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: I get the impression that the Apprentice Mentors are just there for support when the Apprentice gets called before the Stewards. Or perhaps they use their extensive experience from their list of excuses to help the Apprentice. Especially if they are young, blonde and pretty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, Freda said: Especially if they are young, blonde and pretty. Sounds like me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Geez when you think it can't get any worse , today has been a shit show , some of the rides even from the seniors is questionable . It must be tough for some of the owners down there knowing that there is no wiggle room to get better on their horse . Watched that Robina Joy win and some of the rides in behind on the other well backed runners you would think the other riders had their kiwi saver on the winner . Getting close to not betting down there , no one can consistently put 3/4 good rides together , becoming a bigger lottery than ever . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrossCodes Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 20 minutes ago, nomates said: Geez when you think it can't get any worse , today has been a shit show , some of the rides even from the seniors is questionable . It must be tough for some of the owners down there knowing that there is no wiggle room to get better on their horse . Watched that Robina Joy win and some of the rides in behind on the other well backed runners you would think the other riders had their kiwi saver on the winner . Getting close to not betting down there , no one can consistently put 3/4 good rides together , becoming a bigger lottery than ever . Totally agree. Dont take this as a racist comment either, but most of those Malaysian riders don’t have a single clue what they are doing out there, and some are downright dangerous bordering on incompetent. They come over here due to not being up to scratch in their own jurisdiction and it’s not hard to see why, we just take anyone with a license. Brandon May would be included in that bunch too, his riding is shocking. But you are right, even the so called seniors down south are awful, Sam Wynn, Chris Johnson both shadows of their former selves. A half decent north island rider could go down south and get the pick of any ride they liked if they had the inclination, as the competition for the good rides down there is nonexistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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