nomates Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 When the F@#K are jockeys in this country , seniors , apprentices , male and female , all of them , going to wake up and realize that if there isn't a lot of pace up front that they have to get moving early , not once the jockeys who have got away with soft sectionals start sprinting . It is doing my head in , race after race , same old shit , are they really that bad at judging pace or do they simply not care , they get their cash whatever happens . I should add that it is not every jock every race , but none of them seem to get what is happening consistently , they get it right 1 race to then completely go to sleep for the rest of the day . Small rider to this post , i'm in a fecking grumpy mood at the moment . Not a large difference to my good mood but there is a difference . My wife says not a lot of diff tho . 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 26 minutes ago, nomates said: When the F@#K are jockeys in this country , seniors , apprentices , male and female , all of them , going to wake up and realize that if there isn't a lot of pace up front that they have to get moving early , not once the jockeys who have got away with soft sectionals start sprinting . It is doing my head in , race after race , same old shit , are they really that bad at judging pace or do they simply not care , they get their cash whatever happens . I should add that it is not every jock every race , but none of them seem to get what is happening consistently , they get it right 1 race to then completely go to sleep for the rest of the day . Small rider to this post , i'm in a fecking grumpy mood at the moment . Not a large difference to my good mood but there is a difference . My wife says not a lot of diff tho . Och Laddie, dinna ya ken? It's NZ, nothing is going to change, look at the times in the 1400m today, they run 1-22 and change in the first, the 3yo's and in the last maiden they run near 1-26.....WTF, so many horses pulling and reefing back in the field, climbing, kangaroo hopping, these jocks are taking the piss, you are absolutely correct NM, you can't wager on races that are run like that, the stewards are failing the very people that employ them, none can read a race anyway, the Taj Mahal in Jackson St is now The Big Top, rename NZ Racing, Ringling Bros, or Barnum and Baileys........ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 It's not good, it is one thing I'm always harping on about; but trainers have to take some little responsibility too, because they don't insist upon their charges working to time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Its been happening since forever...L'O'Sullivan was an expert at stacking them up for a sprint home. I think the problem is the jockeys are too scared to make a move, in case they get posted,and then roasted for trying to use their initiative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Its been happening since forever...L'O'Sullivan was an expert at stacking them up for a sprint home. I think the problem is the jockeys are too scared to make a move, in case they get posted,and then roasted for trying to use their initiative. They are scared shitless to try anything and most simply don't care , if there is no pace on and you have sat at the back then there is plenty of juice to go forward , but that in itself leads to another of my pet hates , if you go from the back , effing go , but i watch most meander around then get half way and take a hold , then go forward again then take another hold , why , because they are second guessing themselves , should i have done that ? not sure , ok go again , oh i'm caugt wide , oh hang on while i think this thru , don't your not that smart . By the time they make the straight it's all to late , if they had just gone all the way at a steady rate get outside lead or leading but no . Or the ones that deliberately sit 3 wide in the open when a little bit of effort can get you outside of the leader , most of the time . MR Joe Bloggs pet hate . So who is educating these guys , i know the apprentices are no better under the watch of Harris and Walsh . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 19 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Its been happening since forever...L'O'Sullivan was an expert at stacking them up for a sprint home. He may have but it is not him dictating the pace , it is the rider in 2nd who has allowed him to do it , it is the rider outside the leader that dictates pace in a race . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 hour ago, nomates said: He may have but it is not him dictating the pace , it is the rider in 2nd who has allowed him to do it , it is the rider outside the leader that dictates pace in a race . If that was truly the case then why do the stioes penalize the rider of the leader for slowing the pace? Ex jocks like Williamson and Robinson seem to differ with your view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 31 minutes ago, nod said: If that was truly the case then why do the stioes penalize the rider of the leader for slowing the pace? Ex jocks like Williamson and Robinson seem to differ with your view They pick the obvious offender , but they should all get a rocket , even the ones that sit back and do nothing . But really just because they are ex jocks doesn't really mean they make great stipes , been plenty of debate over a long period about the quality of our stipes . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 2 hours ago, nomates said: They are scared shitless to try anything and most simply don't care , if there is no pace on and you have sat at the back then there is plenty of juice to go forward , but that in itself leads to another of my pet hates , if you go from the back , effing go , but i watch most meander around then get half way and take a hold , then go forward again then take another hold , why , because they are second guessing themselves , should i have done that ? not sure , ok go again , oh i'm caugt wide , oh hang on while i think this thru , don't your not that smart . By the time they make the straight it's all to late , if they had just gone all the way at a steady rate get outside lead or leading but no . Or the ones that deliberately sit 3 wide in the open when a little bit of effort can get you outside of the leader , most of the time . MR Joe Bloggs pet hate . So who is educating these guys , i know the apprentices are no better under the watch of Harris and Walsh . Classic, brilliant, cue in the rack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 53 minutes ago, nod said: If that was truly the case then why do the stioes penalize the rider of the leader for slowing the pace? Ex jocks like Williamson and Robinson seem to differ with your view I might cop some vilification for this, however I'm quoting a very learned person,.......one leading trainer, noted for his common touch, said many years ago, ''they are pygmies taking advantage of a physical deformity'' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 19 hours ago, nomates said: They pick the obvious offender , but they should all get a rocket , even the ones that sit back and do nothing . But really just because they are ex jocks doesn't really mean they make great stipes , been plenty of debate over a long period about the quality of our stipes . My former partner was the regular rider of a normally back-running horse, the Trictrac stallion Beau Tric. On a particular occasion, at Riccarton, he lobbed into his normal out-the-back possie, then looped the field and went to the front. At one stage he was out by twelve lengths, won by a couple. The stipe at the time took the rest of the riders into the room and gave them a proper serve. When I asked him later he said, they were just pissing around doing nothing. He only had to come off the front in 47 and they couldn't beat him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 How about Foglia D'oro ?in the NZ cup --out by over a furlong going down the back. Even the commentator was fooled . Mind she had a proper rider aboard/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 12, 2022 Author Share Posted February 12, 2022 46 minutes ago, nod said: How about Foglia D'oro ?in the NZ cup --out by over a furlong going down the back. Even the commentator was fooled . Mind she had a proper rider aboard/ There are still jockeys who are having nightmares from when Kotare Chief won the Auckland cup . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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