Robalan Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 I see Matt Anderson was buying yearlings at the Auckland sale. He must have received a clearance to begin training again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 39 minutes ago, Robalan said: I see Matt Anderson was buying yearlings at the Auckland sale. He must have received a clearance to begin training again Wouldn't be necessary his disqualification ends in August (unless it was extended for some reason). Don't see any reason why he wouldn't be allowed to recommence his career. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robalan Posted February 14, 2022 Author Share Posted February 14, 2022 There is an automatic 2 year stand down after receiving a criminal conviction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 18 minutes ago, Robalan said: There is an automatic 2 year stand down after receiving a criminal conviction What is the number of that Rule? Media reports stated his disqualification will end August 2022. I believe his conviction was in November 2020 so November 2022 will be two years. Perhaps someone else is breaking the yearlings in for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: What is the number of that Rule? Media reports stated his disqualification will end August 2022. I believe his conviction was in November 2020 so November 2022 will be two years. Perhaps someone else is breaking the yearlings in for him? fantastic horseman good breaking in horses 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 27 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: fantastic horseman good breaking in horses But is he allowed to do that while disqualified? Actually inadvertently you raise a good point........horse breakers and pre-trainers don't need to be licensed do they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robalan Posted February 14, 2022 Author Share Posted February 14, 2022 That is correct, but if they take part in those activities the authorities are unlikely to ever relicence them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 21 minutes ago, Robalan said: That is correct, but if they take part in those activities the authorities are unlikely to ever relicence them Why? On what grounds? That would be over reach. Do you belong to the group flog him for life? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: But is he allowed to do that while disqualified? Actually inadvertently you raise a good point........horse breakers and pre-trainers don't need to be licensed do they? he is allowed to break in horses now an that's from very good sauce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 23 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: he is allowed to break in horses now an that's from very good sauce Excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 37 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: he is allowed to break in horses now an that's from very good sauce Mushroom is my face sauce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 50 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: he is allowed to break in horses now an that's from very good sauce Very good or excellent even 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 17 hours ago, Robalan said: There is an automatic 2 year stand down after receiving a criminal conviction I hope he didn't buy any fillies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatchcock Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 He's not disqualified. He's just unlicenced because Gary Woodham refuses to approve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Spatchcock said: He's not disqualified. He's just unlicenced because Gary Woodham refuses to approve it. So as posted by @Robalan there is no mandatory disqualification for a criminal conviction? He did get a 6 month disqualification when the RIU double dipped on the MDMA conviction. A case of the RIU doing a double whammy by using a broad definition of Rule 100. Essentially Anderson was convicted in Court for an offence against society and the RIU's view was we'll also ping you for the same thing as an offence against racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatchcock Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So as posted by @Robalan there is no mandatory disqualification for a criminal conviction? He did get a 6 month disqualification when the RIU double dipped on the MDMA conviction. A case of the RIU doing a double whammy by using a broad definition of Rule 100. Essentially Anderson was convicted in Court for an offence against society and the RIU's view was we'll also ping you for the same thing as an offence against racing. HRNZ has an up-to-date list of disqualified persons on their website... currently five names and Anderson is not on it. When you apply for a license there is a good character clause relating to convictions which gives HRNZ an easy way of managing who gets accepted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Spatchcock said: HRNZ has an up-to-date list of disqualified persons on their website... currently five names and Anderson is not on it. When you apply for a license there is a good character clause relating to convictions which gives HRNZ an easy way of managing who gets accepted. If they applied the "good character" test to numerous people in the industry there wouldn't be many left. Anderson has served his penalty as given by the Court. Arguably he could argue a Human Rights case if he is continually refused a license. It isn't as if there aren't precedents within the industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Spatchcock said: HRNZ has an up-to-date list of disqualified persons on their website... currently five names and Anderson is not on it. When you apply for a license there is a good character clause relating to convictions which gives HRNZ an easy way of managing who gets accepted. There would be many more than 5, I would think?. you have McGrath and Alford for starters that everyone knows about. Kerr as well. The Australian harness site currently has a detailed list of '58' persons under the National banner , with the charge and sentence and dates all listed. But I can think of heaps of others that are DQed that are Not on That list on the web-site. Must have some special reason they got off the posted list but they are Disqualified, thats for sure. Am sure NZ has more than Five DQed persons. If that's the case , what a fine honest lot they are in NZ lol...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gammalite said: There would be many more than 5, I would think?. you have McGrath and Alford for starters that everyone knows about. Kerr as well. Plus the associate of McGrath. George Burrows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robalan Posted February 14, 2022 Author Share Posted February 14, 2022 I never said that Anderson was disqualified. Harness Racing will not consider an application for a licence or any other transaction until 2 years after the date of receiving a criminal conviction. In Matt andersons case he would have to apply for relicencing and this would require the approval of the Harness Racing Executive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 17 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: he is allowed to break in horses now an that's from very good sauce IMO , he shouldn't be allowed to break horses unlicenced. Nobody should? , as surely an Insurance Company collecting money from the owners , would consider a Claim from an owner who placed their insured horse with an unlicenced person an un-acceptable risk? If i was insurance company, I wouldn't pay a claim for damage to horse from a 'cowboy' unlicenced person causing damage to horse. And what about the horse causing damage to person as well? how would he get 'cover' for injury ? it's quite a dangerous activity at times..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Just now, Gammalite said: IMO , he shouldn't be allowed to break horses unlicenced. Nobody should? , as surely an Insurance Company collecting money from the owners , would consider a Claim from an owner who placed their insured horse with an unlicenced person an un-acceptable risk? If i was insurance company, I wouldn't pay a claim for damage to horse from a 'cowboy' unlicenced person causing damage to horse. And what about the horse causing damage to person as well? how would he get 'cover' for injury ? it's quite a dangerous activity at times..... Are the horses even in his name yet lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gammalite said: IMO , he shouldn't be allowed to break horses unlicenced. Nobody should? , as surely an Insurance Company collecting money from the owners , would consider a Claim from an owner who placed their insured horse with an unlicenced person an un-acceptable risk? @Gammalite you have obviously not been reading my posts nor up with the play in NZ. In the Thoroughbred industry you don't need to be licensed to break, educate and pre-train a horse. I assume it is the same with Harness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Are the horses even in his name yet lol good point. I spose any 'claim' for horse damage, would be made with using name of licenced friend, neighbour, relative as the person in charge of horse. And as for a unlicenced personal injury claim by a person , they could say the injury occurred at local footy match or training hobby , even though there's a great horse hoof imprint all over his face !! lol......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, Robalan said: I never said that Anderson was disqualified. Harness Racing will not consider an application for a licence or any other transaction until 2 years after the date of receiving a criminal conviction. In Matt andersons case he would have to apply for relicencing and this would require the approval of the Harness Racing Executive But where is that stated in the Harness Rules? Either way it is an exercise in tautology because if they don't allow a licence then you are essentially disqualified. The only difference is there isn't a finite date! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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