Rangatira Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Brodie said: Are you saying that if you get charged with a serious crime e.g murder, you should plead guilty just to get a lesser jail time, even if you were innocent? 25% pretty tidy discount if you can get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Personally do not know anything really about young Jordan Crawford, except that he had worked for Breckon Farm according to google! If he is still there Breckon should be having a word to Gary Woodham who he is in horse ownership with and express what a load of Bull Shit this is! Breckon has clout in the harness racing industry I wouldve thought and if he was any sort of bloke needs to go into bat for his employee! Why are people in NZ just so submissive nowadays, just prepared to give in without any fight whatsoever? Brodie, “the voice of reason” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 42 minutes ago, Brodie said: Eljay, if you feel you are not guilty, then you should always plead not guilty. Agreed @Brodie but it gets really expensive for some. Perhaps you should donate 10% of your TAB winnings to a fighting fund for those Drivers and Trainers that don't belong to a big stable? If Crawford had pleaded not guilty then it would have likely proceeded to a non-race day hearing. The RIB would have got their analyst to download and view all the HD video from every angle. Another Legal Eagle for the RIB would have turned up and 50/50 Crawford would have been found guilty. Wham! $300 fine plus $1,000 costs. I agree someone should fight back but even the top Drivers go "to he'll with it I'll just write a cheque!" Ends up cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Agreed @Brodie but it gets really expensive for some. Perhaps you should donate 10% of your TAB winnings to a fighting fund for those Drivers and Trainers that don't belong to a big stable? If Crawford had pleaded not guilty then it would have likely proceeded to a non-race day hearing. The RIB would have got their analyst to download and view all the HD video from every angle. Another Legal Eagle for the RIB would have turned up and 50/50 Crawford would have been found guilty. Wham! $300 fine plus $1,000 costs. I agree someone should fight back but even the top Drivers go "to he'll with it I'll just write a cheque!" Ends up cheaper. Do not think saving some money and pleading guilty is the way to go! If you are guilty then plead guilty, but if you are not to blame for what happened like in this case with young Jordan Crawford, then harness racing needs to do right by Jordan and admit that they were WRONG!!!! I would be more than happy to donate 10% of my profits to a fighting fund for drivers if the NZ TAB dropped my betting restrictions or at least raised the limit to something more workable!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 A bit like Ashburton - Same charge re running inside pegs before passing lane - R3 Blair Orange gets a day which equal to say 7 drives x $180 = $1,260 R8 Thornley - gets fine $200 not days off. All the same - why does Blair get more than 5 times penalty. They are not consistent . 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 45 minutes ago, Brodie said: Do not think saving some money and pleading guilty is the way to go! Of course it isn't. But double or more the $200 Crawford had to pay and well that's a huge penalty for a Junior Driver trying to get started in the game. There is definitely a case for a funded advocate. Not the Molloy type that goes off on tangents costing those he "helps" thousands. Wait till you see the bills he has run up become published. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 52 minutes ago, LongOwner said: A bit like Ashburton - Same charge re running inside pegs before passing lane - R3 Blair Orange gets a day which equal to say 7 drives x $180 = $1,260 R8 Thornley - gets fine $200 not days off. All the same - why does Blair get more than 5 times penalty. They are not consistent . I'd hope because Blair did exactly the same thing the day b4 at Invercargill, his horse was DQ and he got a $300 fine. So Blair did pretty much exactly the same thing 2 days in a row, I agree with the bigger penalty for the 2nd time but how was one horse DQ at Invercargill but at Ashburton not. Murdoch gets fined $350 for whip use in a workout with an unqualified horse, Orange gets disqualified from a placing costing punters plenty for going inside the markers and gets fined less than Murdoch...... not only are they not consistent, they constantly pick on the little bloke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 hour ago, LongOwner said: A bit like Ashburton - Same charge re running inside pegs before passing lane - R3 Blair Orange gets a day which equal to say 7 drives x $180 = $1,260 R8 Thornley - gets fine $200 not days off. All the same - why does Blair get more than 5 times penalty. They are not consistent . Cos Blair has form and told them where to go awhile ago perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 57 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Of course it isn't. But double or more the $200 Crawford had to pay and well that's a huge penalty for a Junior Driver trying to get started in the game. There is definitely a case for a funded advocate. Not the Molloy type that goes off on tangents costing those he "helps" thousands. Wait till you see the bills he has run up become published. It is just not right in the first place that Jordan got charged! He needed to stand up for his rights and if Breckon is still his employer, then he needs to front!! It is similar when Jeremy Markham got charged and shafted big time a couple of years or so ago for hitting the horse in front!! He was charged when he should not have been and the Stipes/judiciary were eventually found to be wrong and Jeremy not guilty! Yes mistakes are made but seriously to charge the young ones unnecessarily and then accept a guilty charge to save them money is just blatantly a very bad look for harness! HRNZ admit you stuffed up again and give the young bloke a break as he did absolutely nothing wrong!!! Why do you want to continue to drive the few young ones in the industry away with your stupid decisions???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Perhaps you should donate 10% of your TAB winnings to a fighting fund for those Drivers and Trainers that don't belong to a big stable? Brodie has no TAB winnings anymore. 1) He is not vaccinated so not allowed to enter agencies 2) Restricted so not worth his time apparently. 3) He stated he is not investing anymore due to #2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, Brodie said: HRNZ admit you stuffed up again and give the young bloke a break as he did absolutely nothing wrong!! In the first instance it isn't HRNZ it's the RIB. But I agree HRNZ should stand up and take a position. Otherwise the RIB will kill harness racing. Hell a couple of weeks ago we had the CEO of the RIB saying that banning whips was inevitable. It isn't his call and if that happens then you may as well hand over all assets to the Thoroughbreds! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, Nowornever said: Brodie has no TAB winnings anymore. 1) He is not vaccinated so not allowed to enter agencies 2) Restricted so not worth his time apparently. 3) He stated he is not investing anymore due to #2 He is still interested. Obviously has a passion for harness racing and from what I've heard scares every bookie in the industry. He just needs to work around the system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, Brodie said: 1. You are correct that I have not had any of that toxic shite injected into me, and never will. Know too many people with bad results from getting it in, with death probably being the worst. The Press this morning had a cardiologist stating that we should be worried about this Long Covid as it can cause heart attacks, strokes etc. Well I have news for this Cardiologist and it is that there are heaps of people who have heart issues now with heart issues and some have died. The truth is that it is not this Covid19 mild virus, it is this toxic Pfizer jabs that is doing it now and in the future. Interesting that you think Brodie isnt able to place bets at outlets! 2. Yes I dont bet on account too often, I am doing pretty well elsewhere, thankyou! 3. I do not bet as often as I used and not as much on as I would like however I can assure you that I still do well. It is not necessarily about the money but the fact that I want to beat them as they continue to put obstacles in front of the restricted punters. Go Brodster!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 31 minutes ago, Brodie said: It is not necessarily about the money but the fact that I want to beat them as they continue to put obstacles in front of the restricted punters The NZ Tab sponsored 'BIG fence obstacle'. Here come the 'restricted' riders and punters now.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 So back on topic..... Theoretically Crawford could have let his horse be pushed down onto the pegs and then could have pushed out again as long as he didn't break his horse up! What a dumb dumb dumb rule! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Brodie - you know that & I know that BUT that is what happens and I do NOT make the laws!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 I dont either make or interpret the rules, Brodie!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotsfan Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 My question has this driver previously done this if not why not a warning instead of charge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 45 minutes ago, Trotsfan said: My question has this driver previously done this if not why not a warning instead of charge The Judgement says Crawford "has a clear record". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 It is clearly evident that they have a Stipendiary Steward sitting behind TV screens watching videos of the race and then recommending charges based on technical interpretation of rules. A bit of a revenue gathering exercise if you ask me. Bit like issuing traffic tickets. In this case Noel McCutcheon wouldn't have seen the Crawford misdemeanour and would have been alerted by the studio video Stipe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 The Racing Integrity Board needs to be renamed, as once again they nave shown that they have no integrity!! Where is Breckon, or is he just another of these apathetic New Zealanders that just go with the flow???? This is just not right for the young Crawford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robalan Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 What a load of nonsense about nothing. The boy broke the rules and pleaded guilty. End of story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Robalan said: What a load of nonsense about nothing. The boy broke the rules and pleaded guilty. End of story Robalan, seem you are an expert on rules, can you kindly advise me of why he was charged in the first place? What actually did he do wrong that the Stipes thought he did so wrong? He maintained his line which anyone with half a brain would acknowledge is the right thing to do! Why would he want to be pushed onto the markers when his better position was the running line surely? They charged the wrong man!! Edited March 2, 2022 by Brodie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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